football51 wrote: Superman55 wrote: football51 wrote:Read my post above on Sanders/Kerley. Also, as far as Jackson is concerned, IMO MM and Vick didn't give as glowing of an endorsement behind the scenes to Idzik. Jackson also hasn't made a difference in Washington's record either. Not to mention that the Jets don't owe Harvin a penny after this year unless they choose to keep him. Totally un- Tannenbaum- like. We can sign Wilkerson tomorrow..... Harvin hasn't prevented that from happening. please, look back at the 2010 and 2011 Seahawks including draft picks, trades, free agents, etc and you will see eery similarities to what Idzik is doing his first two years. Too many want the Seahawks of 2012 and 2013 right now with the Jets and it's just not possible nor is it how it was done.
Sanders is a faster, more dynamic, WR threat that can play outside and inside. Kerley can't play outside and is a #3. Sanders has speed in and out of his routes. Those 2 arent close, even if their #s say they are close. Sanders and Larry Fitzgerald and Kerley may have similar #s the last 2 years, I honestly dont know if they do or not, but = stats dont make them = players.
As for your point on Jackson, I am sure with Marty he knows that devil, and with Schneider, he knows that devil. I don't disagree on him feeling more comfortable with Harvin than DJax, I said that too earlier.
However,
this is the part of your post that painfully shows your Idzik bias (and it us undying to date):
"Not to mention that the Jets don't owe Harvin a penny after this year unless they choose to keep him. Totally un- Tannenbaum- like.""The 5-foot-11 Holmes, a first-round pick out of Ohio State in 2006, has one year remaining on his contract and will essentially be on a 12-game tryout for a long-term deal."
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5077088You also painfully ignored the topic of the loss of cap room next year (and this year) by making this Harvin deal instead of using free agency...and you neglect to address the un-needed loss of a draft pick.
Are you and Joe related? Tell the truth.
wrong thread......... this should be in the Kerley one. However, not biased at all. Tannenbaum gave up a pick for a player that had to be resigned including giving him fully guaranteed money the year after the trade. Idzik gave up a pick for a player with 4 years left on his deal with zero guaranteed dollars. Unneeded loss of a draft pick? We know that if cut, Harvin would've signed here and not NE for example? I like this trade just like I liked giving up a pick for Ivory. If we used free agency next year for a wr, we'd still be using cap space, so, I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Idzik didn't see a wr this offseason(other than Decker) that he wanted on the free market. He saw an opportunity with Harvin and took it. There's no way of knowing which wr's will actually make it to free agency next march(resignings/tags), so, this was a good opportunity.
We're not going to agree on anything today. I moved this over here, because this actually has nothing to do with kerley, but when we decided to add a #2 WR to this team.
I may agree that Idzik may not have liked Sanders (Idzik skipped his free agent visit (just like DRC), so Sanders cancelled (DRC still came even though Idzik didn't attend the visi)t), DJax, Golden Tate (who was sleeping with Russell Wilson's wife last season, so I'm sure Idzik was not on board with that, even Seattle refused to make him an offer, even at a home town discount, they wanted no part of Tate), Nicks (coming off injury and looks disappointing), Cooper, Maclin, Roberts (who I also loved), or Lafell (didnt love).
Maybe he didn't like any of them for $3-5 mill per year. Harvin is better than all of the above not named DJax (though for every 1 year of Harvin on your cap you get 2 years of DJax).
To my earlier point, that ship has sailed.
I am also very happy with the Harvin deal, and agree there is no guarunteed money in his deal, but likely every year we keep him, he'll get paid $10.5 mill per season (i.e. the #1 paid Jet until Mo gets his deal).
What I was saying above was "if" Idzik signed any of the above, we'd have:
* A #2 Wr of Sanders, Tate, maclin, Cooper, Lafell, or DJax,
and * extra $5 mill in cap room this year,
* an extra 5 mill in cap room next year, and
* a 2015 6th rd pick
* likely not a 1-6 record
Instead of all the above, we have:
* Percy Harvin
* and a 1-6 record
I love Percy Harvin and I am happy to have him, but I still feel if free agency was used better, we wouldn't be 1-6, in a better cap situation this year and next, and have 1 extra pick heading into next year's draft. That's all I am saying. You may be right he didn't like any of them; but it's hard to tell when the guy wont even meet with free agents when they come to town to visit...