Idzik's state of the team

Superman55 wrote:Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Jets 5th round pick LB Jeremiah George played 10 snaps for the Jaguars on Sunday. He made 3 tackles, one for a loss. #nyj

LIJETFAN wrote:If you give Jet fans a plan they can believe in, and they trust in the person executing the plan then I believe they will be patient.  I am all for continuity and stability.  But continuity and stability comes from making great decisions, gaining credibility and having success.  Right now, are you confident that Idzik makes great decisions, has a credible plan, is executing his plan well, and is having success?  Or is the reverse true?  At 1-8, it is very hard to see great decisions, a credible plan, good execution and success.  Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see it.  So again, I ask on what basis should any of us be patient?  For the sake of continuity and stability? That's a poor way to run a business in my opinion.    

football51 wrote:In Sunday's Daily News, Gary Meyers suggested that Woody consult with Polian, Parcells, and Wolf to select a new gm, and allow them to HELP this new gm select a coach. Two things..... one, when Woody purchased the Jets, he offered Parcells a blank check to stay and coach/gm. Parcells declined to coach, but he stayed on as gm in 2000. Then, he recommended Bradway for the gm job in 2001. Woody hired him. How did that turn out? Polian, sat in on the gm meetings last year, and gave his approval of Idzik. Originally, Gamble looked like the favorite for the job until he came across clueless with the salary cap. So, I guess Woody should try Wolf next. Maybe he's got the right guy in mind. Secondly, if the new gm needs "help" selecting the coach, is he really the right guy for the job?



I don't believe Idzik should be fired. As I've said, I have no idea if he'll ultimately prove to be the right guy or not. However, even with the remaining holes on the roster, we're better than a one win team. I agree with Nick..... that's on Rex. I don't feel that 1.5 seasons is enough time to properly evaluate Idzik especially when  a major part of his program isn't in place(his coach). Now, having said that, I feel that Woody is going to fire everyone which I don't agree with. The media types who've made this personal with Idzik(and who try to incite the fan base every chance they get) and the extreme fans who've started the fire Idzik website(they've made it clear that they won't stop until he's gone, and the Daily News will help them get their message out) will force Woody to think he needs to take action. He won't wan't the constant public attacks. I hope people realize that Idzik, Rex and staff, and most likely Graves, will be gone. Bradway and Bauer aren't going anywhere until after the 2015 draft which means that the new gm won't have his scouts in place until the 2016 offseason. FYI, Gamble and Bradway are very good friends. Bradway has friends all over the league and is well respected. As I said above, Parcells was the one who brought him here. There's no guarantee that the new gm will fire him either. How long does the new guy get if things don't turn around instantly? Like Sack and Nick mentioned above, I don't want this team to be run like the Redskins. I don't want to spend cap money on players whose best years are behind them just because they have a big name. I want to be able to not only retain Wilkerson, but retain Richardson when he's due for a new deal. Appeasing hysterical fans with splashy signings could derail that. This isn't baseball. With a salary cap, there are consequences. We're not winning a Super Bowl(or getting to one) until we can draft and develop a qb. Signing a big name cb or two isn't going to change that.

GratefulJet wrote:I remember putting together a list of 15 or so WRs and trying to figure out which two the Jets would take. Was astounded when Idzik passed on ALL of them. Such a missed opportunity to add a talented WR to the fold. Greatest WR draft in history, and we pretty much missed the whole thing despite having a crying need.

LIJETFAN wrote:This was the deepest WR draft in recent memory and Idzik definitely bungled it.  We didn't have a shot at Watkins, Evans or Beckham, but everyone else was in play.  If the Jets liked Beckham enough they had the ammo to move up and get him.  They chose to stand pat and passed on most of these guys.  It was bizarre.  I get the Amaro pick, and that's fine. But they had plenty of chances to pick up some really good WRs throughout the draft.

Blindsidebrick wrote:All those receivers mentioned have QB's throwing to them. The Jets benched their starting QB, and are struggling with their backup. Having a stable QB situation helps any WR.

And let's not act like Idzik ignored the receiver position, especially if you consider TE a receiver. Decker, Amaro, and Percy Harvin (when the situation arose).  Throw in Kerley. Is WR an area of need? The arguments about misjudging the CB position have some merit. Trying to take this argument to WR, less so.

Enumwa and Evans are still unknowns. Both or either could be factors next season. Assuming we have a good QB throwing to them.

Blindsidebrick wrote:All those receivers mentioned have QB's throwing to them. The Jets benched their starting QB, and are struggling with their backup. Having a stable QB situation helps any WR.

And let's not act like Idzik ignored the receiver position, especially if you consider TE a receiver. Decker, Amaro, and Percy Harvin (when the situation arose).  Throw in Kerley. Is WR an area of need? The arguments about misjudging the CB position have some merit. Trying to take this argument to WR, less so.

Enumwa and Evans are still unknowns. Both or either could be factors next season. Assuming we have a good QB throwing to them.

GratefulJet wrote:

Blindsidebrick wrote:All those receivers mentioned have QB's throwing to them. The Jets benched their starting QB, and are struggling with their backup. Having a stable QB situation helps any WR.

And let's not act like Idzik ignored the receiver position, especially if you consider TE a receiver. Decker, Amaro, and Percy Harvin (when the situation arose).  Throw in Kerley. Is WR an area of need? The arguments about misjudging the CB position have some merit. Trying to take this argument to WR, less so.

Enumwa and Evans are still unknowns. Both or either could be factors next season. Assuming we have a good QB throwing to them.

Except a TE is not a WR. It is a TE.

When we went into the draft, we had Decker, Kerley, and a bunch of JAGs. Now we have Decker, Kerley, Harvin and a bunch of JAGs. Who is our #4? Who is our deep threat? We have no depth at the position, and we don't have a true HR hitter aside from Harvin, who you can't include in a conversation about the 2014 draft. We'll hve to agree to disagree. This is an area where supply and demand met, and we waited till the 4th round to address the position, and then cut the first guy we did draft. There's simply no way to spin that as a job well done, sorry.

cysporsche wrote:I know 2 things for sure about the Jets next season:

1) Woody Johnson will still be the owner.

2) John Idzik will be back as our GM.

Go Jets...Cyborg

GratefulJet wrote:

Blindsidebrick wrote:All those receivers mentioned have QB's throwing to them. The Jets benched their starting QB, and are struggling with their backup. Having a stable QB situation helps any WR.

And let's not act like Idzik ignored the receiver position, especially if you consider TE a receiver. Decker, Amaro, and Percy Harvin (when the situation arose).  Throw in Kerley. Is WR an area of need? The arguments about misjudging the CB position have some merit. Trying to take this argument to WR, less so.

Enumwa and Evans are still unknowns. Both or either could be factors next season. Assuming we have a good QB throwing to them.

Except a TE is not a WR. It is a TE.

When we went into the draft, we had Decker, Kerley, and a bunch of JAGs. Now we have Decker, Kerley, Harvin and a bunch of JAGs. Who is our #4? Who is our deep threat? We have no depth at the position, and we don't have a true HR hitter aside from Harvin, who you can't include in a conversation about the 2014 draft. We'll hve to agree to disagree. This is an area where supply and demand met, and we waited till the 4th round to address the position, and then cut the first guy we did draft. There's simply no way to spin that as a job well done, sorry.

SackExchange wrote:

GratefulJet wrote:

Blindsidebrick wrote:All those receivers mentioned have QB's throwing to them. The Jets benched their starting QB, and are struggling with their backup. Having a stable QB situation helps any WR.

And let's not act like Idzik ignored the receiver position, especially if you consider TE a receiver. Decker, Amaro, and Percy Harvin (when the situation arose).  Throw in Kerley. Is WR an area of need? The arguments about misjudging the CB position have some merit. Trying to take this argument to WR, less so.

Enumwa and Evans are still unknowns. Both or either could be factors next season. Assuming we have a good QB throwing to them.

Except a TE is not a WR. It is a TE.

When we went into the draft, we had Decker, Kerley, and a bunch of JAGs. Now we have Decker, Kerley, Harvin and a bunch of JAGs. Who is our #4? Who is our deep threat? We have no depth at the position, and we don't have a true HR hitter aside from Harvin, who you can't include in a conversation about the 2014 draft. We'll hve to agree to disagree. This is an area where supply and demand met, and we waited till the 4th round to address the position, and then cut the first guy we did draft. There's simply no way to spin that as a job well done, sorry.

The team is 1-8, and you are complaining about whether there is a hole with the #4 WR? Seriously? (Most teams don't have great #4s, so Salas isn't exactly a huge hole there.)

Harvin is the deep threat. The Jets did not use a 2014 draft pick to fill that hole, they used a 2015 pick to do so.

Maybe he could have taken someone else in the draft. There were a few guys I wanted over the guys he drafted. But that doesn't make me right. Only time will tell.

Metjetgal wrote:Supposedly a Fire Idzik banner was flown around via plane. So embarrassing. Overachieving last year may have really hurt us. What a disaster yr in every way.

Metjetgal wrote:Supposedly a Fire Idzik banner was flown around via plane. So embarrassing. Overachieving last year may have really hurt us. What a disaster yr in every way.

SackExchange wrote:

Metjetgal wrote:Supposedly a Fire Idzik banner was flown around via plane. So embarrassing. Overachieving last year may have really hurt us. What a disaster yr in every way.

The entire fan base looks like buffoons because we are calling for the head of a guy who has been here for less than two years.

The guy who has been here for almost six? Well, he seems like a good guy, friendly, has a great personality. I'd like to have a beer with him. So let's not put up any billboards about firing him.

I love this team, but I really hate this fan base.

SackExchange wrote:I am in agreement that the wealth of draft picks could have allowed for maneuverability within the draft to take the WR of choice, assuming they found a dance partner.

I guess the question is, if the Jets had holes at WR, TE, S, and CB, and it was a WR-heavy draft, do you take the WR early? I would argue no, because you are more likely to have someone good at that position later. So they went S and TE early.

It also could be that they had Evans and Saunders as high as some other guys, like Ellington (who I know you liked) and Bryant (who I liked). Saunders was an awful pick, and Idzik deserves to be bashed for it. We don't know yet about Evans.

You can judge Idzik now if your criterion is whether he did what you would have done. If your criterion is whether he made the right moves, the jury is still out on some of those picks.