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Sarge wrote:Winston is just a dumb ass kid from some redneck backwater of Alabama just like I was a dumb ass kid from some redneck backwater of Alabama at that age. The only difference is his stupidity is on national display while my stupidity was known to only a select few
Pointdexter wrote:My problem with you is that you don't just stick to the facts. You sensationalize everything. Hell, I will take it a step further and say you twist the facts that fit your narrative. Case in point:
1) Jameis gets kicked out of practice ONCE. You say it's because he was "half-assing". Reality is that there is nothing that backs up that narrative. I already quoted above that Jimbo said he didn't like how Jameis was executing and most likely used it as a motivational tool for his team. What I didn't post is how Jimbo praised Jameis for waiting for him after practice and having a discussion about the situation to get better. You just take something so small and run with it to fit your narrative.
2.) You say Jameis got kicked out of a pep rally. Reality: Jameis was walking through the student union on a normal class day and decided to jump on a table and be a college kid by yelling a popular internet meme. I'm sure you never quoted "Jackass" or Eddie Murphy or Dave Chappelle, when you were 20yrs old, amongst friends, right? It was slightly vulgar and a bad decision considering who he is on that campus, but hardly criminal. Either way, it is a LONG SHOT from "getting kicked out of a pep rally". LOL. You stretched this one so far it is comical.
3) In my opinion, this is the worst and boarders on slander. You say "Jameis beats women". That is absurdly and embarrassingly false. You use a link of sexual assault (that he was found not guilty of) to back up your claim. This is so wrong on so many levels. Let's ignore that the accuser's story has more holes than swiss cheese for a second. Let's ignore that the DA declined to even press charges in the first place. Let's ignore that retired Supreme Court Chief Justice Major Harding found no evidence of a crime in the student code of conduct hearing. Even with all of that you somehow turned ONE accusation from ONE woman into "Jameis beats women". Shame on you for for so blatantly altering the truth. He was accused of rape, not physically beating, ONE woman. For you to so blatantly and ridiculously twist that into being a serial woman beater is sad. Unfortunately it seems to not matter to you that, in this ONE incident, neither the state DA nor the esteemed Major Harding could find any evidence to corroborate the accuser's story.
In short, take your agenda driven bullshit spreader somewhere else. This board is too good, too fair, too objective, for one poster to go and ruin it. You want to criticize Winston? Fine. Just stick to reality and there is certainly enough material where you shouldn't have to embellish and fabricate.
hobson54 wrote:point - you hearing anything on the FSU side on reports/rumors that winston may stay in school another year?
personally, i'm very leery of him, especially being thrust into the NY spotlight and being seen as the "savior" of the team. i think the media campaign we are seeing right now in some quarters wrt marrone pales in comparison with what would happen if he got drafted by the jets. and i'm not sold on him being a top nfl QB even disregarding all his "baggage". so i'd be happy to see him either stay in school or be off the board by the time we pick.
Superman55 wrote:Todd McShay believes Winston best QB in the draft:
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/01/nfl_draft_2015_jameis_winston_potential_jets_pick_a_better_prospect_than_marcus_mariota_says_espns_t.html
Seaver wrote:problem for Winston that he can't see yet is he won't have the protective bubble of FSU. We only know of what has gotten out........but to be as fair as I can, he's still very young and has growing up to do. Being a coddled athlete doesn't mean he's had to grow up as quickly as maybe a non-athlete at school. Entitlement is the term that scares me at this point when it comes to Winston. It would be good for him to play another season and grow up......but I don't know if the atmosphere at FSU is good for him either. Jimbo seemed to be doing everything in his power (ethical or not is up for debate) to get through the season for another shot at the title. I don't know if the FSU bubble will be as protective next year.
hobson54 wrote:Point - perhaps an unfair question, but if you can name one NFL QB (past or present) that Winston most resembles (on-field only), who would that be?
Pointdexter wrote:hobson54 wrote:Point - perhaps an unfair question, but if you can name one NFL QB (past or present) that Winston most resembles (on-field only), who would that be?
I think it's a pretty good question. Kirk Herbstreit, on a couple occasions, compared Jameis to Ben Roethlisberger. To this point, it's the best comparison I've heard. Both are extremely big, physical guys who are tough to bring down. Big Ben is 6'5 240 and Jameis is about 6'4, 235-240. Each guy seems to carry a lot of their weight in their lower body, yet they both have surprisingly quick feet and very effective pocket escapability.
As far as throwing, I think Jameis is ahead of Ben at this point in his career, with his ability to anticipate throws and understand his pre-snap and post-snap reads. Jameis is so far ahead of EJ Manuel in this dept coming out of FSU it isn't even funny. He's the best I've seen since (at least) Chris Weinke in his command of the offense. And as an FYI, Weinke has become a very respected high school coach and QB tutor in the state of florida. If any of you have heard of IMG Academy, that is Weinke.
I'm not sure about the multiple rings but I definitely see Winston as comparable to Big Ben in the NFL with what he brings to the table.
hobson54 wrote:thanks point. i'm not sold on winston's game, although i grant i haven't watched him all too much. but if he has half as much success as big ben does in the pros, that would be a pretty good career.
of course, the cynic could note one other less than flattering commonality between winston and big ben (although ben's happened after he turned pro)...
Seaver wrote:
As for the comparison......I remember Ben as a more prolific passer, albeit in the MAC. When he entered the NFL, he wasn't cut loose as he was in college.....but nowadays his game most resembles the way he played in college.
Pointdexter wrote:Seaver wrote:
As for the comparison......I remember Ben as a more prolific passer, albeit in the MAC. When he entered the NFL, he wasn't cut loose as he was in college.....but nowadays his game most resembles the way he played in college.
Big Ben's best year in college (2003): 69% completion, 4,486 yards, 37 TD's and 10 INT's
Jameis Winston's best year (2013): 67% completion, 4,076 yards, 40 TD's and 10 INT's
Amazingly similar numbers. I still think Jameis sees the field better at this point in their respective careers. No doubt Jameis has a long ways to go to reach Ben's level now though. No way to predict if he will have the same career trajectory from here.
Seaver wrote:Pointdexter wrote:Seaver wrote:
As for the comparison......I remember Ben as a more prolific passer, albeit in the MAC. When he entered the NFL, he wasn't cut loose as he was in college.....but nowadays his game most resembles the way he played in college.
Big Ben's best year in college (2003): 69% completion, 4,486 yards, 37 TD's and 10 INT's
Jameis Winston's best year (2013): 67% completion, 4,076 yards, 40 TD's and 10 INT's
Amazingly similar numbers. I still think Jameis sees the field better at this point in their respective careers. No doubt Jameis has a long ways to go to reach Ben's level now though. No way to predict if he will have the same career trajectory from here.
you can't compare college stats.......apples and oranges considering competition, years difference. Playing today, Ben might be throwing for 5000 yards......... I loved Ben coming out of the draft as the best QB - Winston can't sniff that accolade right now. He'd be first by default.
hobson54 wrote:Point - perhaps an unfair question, but if you can name one NFL QB (past or present) that Winston most resembles (on-field only), who would that be?
cysporsche wrote:The Browns own picks 12 & 19 in the first round. Hoyer QB is done, and Johnny Manziel is pushing to get released. If Winston falls to us @ 6, trade it for the Browns 12 & 19, I'd do the trade. Then draft:
12) Dorial Green-Beckham, Kevin White or DeVante Parker @ WR. We'll know who the 2nd best WR is after the Combines.
19) Melvin Gordon - RB
37) Bryce Petty QB
Go Jets...Cyborg
cysporsche wrote:hobson54 wrote:Point - perhaps an unfair question, but if you can name one NFL QB (past or present) that Winston most resembles (on-field only), who would that be?
Cam Newton of the Panthers. They could pass as brothers, same size / weight, talk with a slow southern draw, both from the S.E, both won the Heisman, both got busted for stealing in College, and both gifted with a ton of potential. Personally I like Cam better.
Go Jets...Cyborg
hobson54 wrote:no surprise, but winston will turn pro, according to his dad
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12131473/jameis-winston-florida-state-seminoles-nfl-draft-father-says
This.GratefulJet wrote:hobson54 wrote:no surprise, but winston will turn pro, according to his dad
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12131473/jameis-winston-florida-state-seminoles-nfl-draft-father-says
That #6 pick is more valuable with JW in the draft than out, whether we want him or not.
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