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    McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 11:28

    1Jameis WinstonTampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
    Analysis: The Bucs don't currently have a franchise quarterback on their roster, and while both of the top two QB prospects in this year's class carry with them significant risks (along with considerable talent and upside), it could be tough for them to pass on both. If you factor in only on-field performance, Winston should be the No. 1 choice. He beats opponents from the pocket with very good accuracy, arm strength and anticipation, and his on-field intangibles and leadership are positives as well. The concerns with Winston obviously have to do with his off-field behavior, and any team that drafts him is going to have to trust him enough from a character and psychological standpoint to make him the face of its franchise. That's a big risk, but NFL teams know that they can't win consistently without good quarterback play. And the Bucs could decide that Marcus Mariota's need to transition from Oregon's up-tempo spread offense to the NFL represents an even greater risk -- albeit in a very different way. Video highlights Video

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    2Leonard WilliamsTennessee Titans (2-14)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE
    Analysis: Williams is the complete package -- he can two-gap as a run-stuffer, but he can also penetrate and make plays against both the pass and the run. He'd make Jurrell Casey even better by drawing more double-teams and allowing Casey to do what he does best: use quickness to establish positioning, and disrupt. Having two studs in Williams and Casey on the defensive front would provide a boost for a team that ranked 31st in the league in rushing yards per game allowed last season. The Titans have a huge need at QB and would have to consider Marcus Mariota here, but he's a risk despite his big-time upside because of his lack of experience at consistently throwing with anticipation and accuracy from the pocket at Oregon. Video highlights Video

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    3Randy GregoryJacksonville Jaguars (3-13)COLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE
    Analysis: The Jags' biggest need is at right tackle, and they are looking for competition along their entire offensive line, but there isn't an offensive tackle in this class worth drafting at No. 3 overall. Gregory is a good fit, however. They need a young pass-rusher (Chris Clemons is 33), and Gregory is one of the most explosive edge rushers in this class. He needs to continue to add bulk and strength to his lean frame, but he has the length, violent hands and closing burst to get home off the edge. Video highlights Video

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    4Amari CooperOakland Raiders (3-13)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
    Analysis: The Raiders have to provide second-year QB Derek Carr with more weapons. (James Jones is the top receiver on Oakland's roster right now.) Cooper, West Virginia's Kevin White and Louisville's Devante Parker are the best WR prospects in this class and the only ones who legitimately belong in the top-20 discussion, and Cooper is our favorite of the bunch. He was absolutely dominant in 2014 despite facing top defensive competition in the SEC and dealing with inconsistent play from Bama QB Blake Sims. He has excellent savvy as a route runner, good acceleration vertically and he does a terrific job of pulling down 50-50 balls. Video highlights Video

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    5Shane RayWashington Redskins (4-12)COLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE
    Analysis: The Redskins need a pass-rusher -- often-injured ROLB Brian Orakpo is a free agent and not expected to return -- and Ray is a terror off the edge. He is relentless at pressuring the quarterback, combining outstanding first-step quickness, effective hands and impressive redirect skills. He also continues to get stronger versus the run and has bulked up into the 250-pound range. He was incredibly productive at Mizzou, finishing fifth in the FBS with 13 sacks last season. This is another spot where Mariota could come under consideration, but I've got Washington addressing its defense here. Video highlights Video

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    6Marcus MariotaNew York Jets (4-12)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
    Analysis: Mariota could slide even further than this on draft day, but I think this pick makes sense for the Jets given their need at QB and the presence of Chan Gailey at offensive coordinator. Gailey can adapt his scheme to any QB and has a history with spread-formation offenses, so he's capable of providing Mariota with a smooth transition to the NFL from his up-tempo spread system at Oregon. Mariota has rare athleticism for the QB position (including prototypical size) and outstanding intangibles, but his one area of concern -- consistently being able to win from the pocket -- is the most important trait you need to succeed at the NFL level. So how a team caters its approach to him and develops him as an accurate passer from the pocket will be critical. Video highlights Video

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    7Danny SheltonChicago Bears (5-11)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: DT
    Analysis: It's unclear what scheme new head coach John Fox and new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio plan to run in Chicago -- my guess is they'll use something of a hybrid front -- but if they plan to play any 3-4, they'll need some capable bodies. Lamarr Houston and Will Sutton are best at penetrating and disrupting, and their strongest point-of-attack D-lineman, Stephen Paea, is a free agent. Shelton would provide a versatile, big body along the interior, as he commands double-teams against the run and can push the pocket as a pass-rusher. Arik Armstead is another option here, and the Bears also need help at safety and linebacker. But what will they do at the QB position? Video highlights Video

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    8Arik ArmsteadAtlanta Falcons (6-10)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-7WT: 285POS: DE
    Analysis: The Falcons need to improve on defense, especially with their pass rush. D-linemen Kroy Biermann and Osi Umenyiora are both free agents. Armstead was a 5-technique defensive end at Oregon and could play a similar role in the NFL, but he's also explosive enough to be a great fit as a left defensive end in new Atlanta head coach Dan Quinn's scheme -- similar to the role that Michael Bennett played for Quinn with the Seahawks. I've really liked what I've seen from Armstead's tape; he's an excellent run defender who has a lot of upside as a pass-rusher because of his violent hands and ability to convert speed to power.

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    9Brandon ScherffNew York Giants (6-10)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
    Analysis: I think this pick would depend upon whether the Giants retain Jason Pierre-Paul in free agency. If they don't, then pass-rusher becomes a top need and a guy like Florida DE Dante Fowler Jr. might be under consideration. But if JPP stays, I think the smart play here is to continue to solidify the offensive line. Left tackle Will Beatty played better in OC Ben McAdoo's system and 2014 second-rounder Weston Richburg should take over for JD Walton at center, leaving Scherff to start at either guard spot or possibly beat out Justin Pugh for the right tackle job. He is perfectly wired to be a New York Giants offensive lineman. He's durable, tough, strong and nasty. The Giants also have needs at linebacker, safety and possibly D-tackle if Mike Patterson leaves in free agency. Video highlights Video

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    10Kevin WhiteSt. Louis Rams (6-10)COLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR
    Analysis: The Rams' biggest need is at QB, but there's no way for them to address that position in this scenario. (Remember, we don't project trades in these mock drafts, and there's a big drop-off in this year's QB class after Winston and Mariota.) The next-biggest need is O-line, but the only prospect worth drafting this high is Stanford's Andrus Peat, and he's a pure left tackle who doesn't fit the Rams' physical approach all that well. So, wide receiver makes the most sense here, and White is a complete player with good size and outstanding ball skills. He'd immediately upgrade a group that features several question marks and no No. 1 receiver. Video highlights Video
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    Re: McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 11:28

    11Devante ParkerMinnesota Vikings (7-9)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
    Analysis: The Vikings need help on the offensive line, but Parker would make a lot of sense here. They need to surround second-year QB Teddy Bridgewater with more weapons, and Parker was Bridgewater's top target at Louisville. Parker would become Minnesota's tallest receiver at 6-foot-2 1/2, and he displays very good body control and competitiveness when the ball is in the air to go along with his size. He had a very productive season in 2014 after returning from injury (855 receiving yards in just seven games, 19.9 yards per catch). Video highlights Video

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    12T.J. ClemmingsCleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT
    Analysis: This would be a tough scenario for the Browns. Their biggest needs are probably right tackle, wide receiver and nose tackle, but the top prospects at each of those positions are already off the board. Johnny Manziel's future with the team is uncertain, but there aren't any QBs worth drafting here, either, and Cleveland will instead likely need to add a veteran in free agency (Mike Glennon, perhaps?) if Brian Hoyer goes to another team. Clemmings is a reach here, but he makes sense because of the importance of the position and his high potential. He's a work in progress, having played only two years of offensive tackle at Pitt, but he has impressive physical tools and is getting better. He excels as a run blocker and would bring strength and toughness to a unit that badly needs it. He'd struggle early in pass protection, but has the potential to improve. Video highlights Video

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    13Dante Fowler Jr.New Orleans Saints (7-9)COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE
    Analysis: The Saints could consider Stanford left tackle Andrus Peat here and then move Terron Armstead inside, or they could fill their need at cornerback by drafting either of the top two prospects at the position, Washington's Marcus Peters or Michigan State's Trae Waynes. But Fowler has the versatility and relentlessness that Rob Ryan is looking for. He isn't an elite athlete but has good flexibility, violent hands and efficient counter moves as a pass-rusher, and he has experience playing multiple spots among the D-line, as well as outside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment. Video highlights Video

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    14Trae WaynesMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB
    Analysis: Two of Miami's top needs are inside linebacker and wide receiver, but it's too early to take an ILB here and all three of the WRs worth drafting at No. 14 overall are already off the board in this scenario. Cornerback is another need area, and while Marcus Peters has better tape, he brings with him some baggage after being kicked off of the Washington team last season. The Dolphins aren't in the business of taking chances on character risks right now, so Waynes might make more sense. He's a playmaker with very good ball skills and has the length and athleticism to hold up as a cover corner, and he shows good recognition skills and can help in run support. His biggest weakness is technique, but that's coachable.

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    15Devin SmithSan Francisco 49ers (8-8)COLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 199POS: WR
    Analysis: This is early for Smith -- he's our No. 26 overall player -- but the Niners need a receiver who can stretch the field vertically and nobody in college football did that better during the second half of the season than Smith (especially when big-armed Cardale Jones was throwing him the ball). He has excellent speed, subtle moves as a deep route runner that allow him to create separation, and his body control when tracking the deep ball is outstanding. San Francisco could also look to address its O-line or defensive front in the first round.

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    16Andrus PeatHouston Texans (9-7)COLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT
    Analysis: The Texans need a quarterback, but aren't going to find one here. Pass catchers Devin Funchess (Michigan) or Jaelen Strong (Arizona State) would be options, although both are slight reaches this early. So I'll have them take Peat, who fills a need and is a steal at this point in the draft. The more I watch him on tape, the more I appreciate how quick his feet are. He's also tall, has long arms and good awareness, and possesses good power as a blocker. He needs to improve his consistency as a finisher, but he's young and should continue to get better. Video highlights Video

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    17Eddie GoldmanSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT
    Analysis: Sean Lissemore isn't working out at nose tackle for the Chargers, and 2014 fifth-rounder Ryan Carrethers played in only six games. Goldman would not only provide an immediate upgrade at nose, but he's versatile enough to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme as well. Goldman's specialty is stopping the run, with excellent strength and size (6-3, 314 pounds). Video highlights Video

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    18Dorial Green-BeckhamKansas City Chiefs (9-7)COLLEGE: OklahomaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 225POS: WR
    Analysis: The Chiefs are in serious need of an upgrade at wide receiver, and Michigan's Devin Funchess and Arizona State's Jaelen Strong are both options here. However, Green-Beckham is an intriguing possibility with this pick. The Chiefs would be taking a chance on him, given his behavioral baggage and the fact that he sat out the 2014 college football season, but based on the tape I've studied so far, Green-Beckham might be the most naturally gifted pass-catcher in this class. If Kansas City doesn't want to take a receiver here, Miami OT Ereck Flowers would make some sense.

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    19Devin FunchessCleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR
    Analysis: I gave the Browns an offensive tackle with the No. 12 pick in T.J. Clemmings, and there still isn't a QB worth drafting here at No. 19 (the pick they acquired from the Bills last May in Buffalo's trade up to draft Sammy Watkins), so I'm going with a potential difference-maker at WR in Funchess. I liked his passion for the game at times, but questioned it at other times. He was dealing with a miserable QB situation at Michigan, but teams will need to dig deeper into his football character. If there are no concerns there, he's a top-25 football player in this class. He's a hybrid TE/WR who fits best as an X wide receiver in the NFL, in my opinion. His frame and body control make him tough to cover even when defenders are in position. Video highlights Video

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    20Landon CollinsPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
    Analysis: The question everyone will ask is whether Chip Kelly will be willing to trade up to draft his former QB at Oregon, Marcus Mariota, particularly if Mariota starts to slide down the board a little bit. I know from talking with Kelly previously that he thinks the world of Mariota, but I have no idea how much he's willing to give up in order to go get him. If the Eagles stay put, Collins would be a good value pick here. He's the No. 15 overall prospect on our board, has good range in coverage and is a playmaker when the ball is in the air. But where he excels most is in run support, which is a good fit in the NFC East, especially versus the Cowboys. Moreover, SS Nate Allen is a free agent. Other options include Washington CB Marcus Peters and OLB Vic Beasley. Video highlights Video

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    Re: McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 11:29

    21Vic BeasleyCincinnati Bengals (10-5-1)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE
    Analysis: Beasley is an undersized edge player with really good burst, bend and instincts. He was very productive at Clemson, racking up 44.5 tackles for loss and 25 sacks the past two seasons. He's a great fit for the Bengals' defense as a 4-3 outside linebacker, and he will help upgrade a pass rush that ranked 27th in the NFL last season in sacks per attempt. Video highlights Video

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    22Marcus PetersPittsburgh Steelers (11-5)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB
    Analysis: Safety and cornerback are need areas for the Steelers this offseason, and linebacker could also quickly become a problem spot, with James Harrison, Jason Worilds and Arthur Moats all free agents. Based purely off of game tape, Peters is the best all-around cornerback in this class. He has a good combination of instincts, cover skills, toughness and ball skills (11 interceptions the past three seasons). But Pittsburgh will have to feel comfortable with his character before drafting him, as he was kicked off of Washington's football team this fall due to behavioral issues.

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    23Malcom BrownDetroit Lions (11-5)COLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT
    Analysis: The Lions could go with a cornerback or offensive tackle here, but defensive tackle is a position of need even if Ndamukong Suh does return in 2015 (C.J. Mosley, Andre Fluellen and Nick Fairley are all free agents), and it's a gaping hole if he goes somewhere else in free agency. Brown is a versatile D-lineman who has experience playing NT, DT and DE in a 4-3 defense, and NT and 5-technique in a 3-4. He's strong versus the run and showed more as a pass-rusher during his final season in Austin under head coach Charlie Strong. Video highlights Video

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    24Denzel PerrymanArizona Cardinals (11-5)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: SrHT: 6-5WT: 248POS: ILB
    Analysis: This might be a little early to take an inside linebacker in some people's minds, but there aren't many better football players than Perryman left on the board, and the Cardinals are likely to address the position early. Perryman has strong recognition skills, he's stout and savvy at the point of attack and he hits like a truck. A lot of other evaluators like Mississippi State's Benardrick McKinney more because of his freakish size-speed combo, but I'll take the better football player in Perryman. Other positions Arizona could look to address this offseason: pass-rusher, D-line, QB depth and RB depth.

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    25Ereck FlowersCarolina Panthers (7-8-1)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT
    Analysis: Flowers has a really good combination of size (6-6, 325 pounds), strength, agility and toughness, possesses great football character and has played both right tackle and left tackle for the Hurricanes the past two seasons. He needs to get better with his hand placement and pad level, but his weaknesses that show up on tape are all correctable. He's a guy who has improved throughout his career and has the upside to continue to do so. Video highlights Video

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    26Jalen CollinsBaltimore Ravens (10-6)COLLEGE: LSUHT: 6-0WT: 193POS: CB
    Analysis: The Ravens could look to draft a wide receiver here, with Steve Smith Sr. in the latter stages of his career and Torrey Smith a free agent this offseason. Arizona State's Jaelen Strong is a big target who would be an asset for Joe Flacco. But I think upgrading the secondary is a bigger priority for the Ravens. Collins is still developing, but he has the length and speed to become a good starting cornerback in the NFL.

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    27Melvin GordonDallas Cowboys (12-4)COLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB
    Analysis: Re-signing both WR Dez Bryant and RB DeMarco Murray is going to be awfully difficult for Dallas this offseason, and if the Cowboys need to let one go, it's likelier to be the running back turning 27 years old who has an injury history. Murray has been great, but it's easier to find effective running backs (especially behind Dallas' offensive line) than it is to find elite receivers like Bryant. Gordon's running style is very similar to Murray's; he runs hard, is a work horse, gets from 0 to 60 in a flash and shows great vision and patience as a runner. He isn't great in pass protection or as a receiver, but he's getting better. The other positions Dallas needs to address this offseason are cornerback, D-line, tight end and receiver (depending upon how Bryant's situation works out). Video highlights Video

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    28La'El CollinsDenver Broncos (12-4)COLLEGE: LSUClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 324POS: OT
    Analysis: This pick will largely be determined by how free agency goes for the Broncos. WRs Demaryius Thomas and Wes Welker are free agents, as are TEs Julius Thomas, Virgil Green and Jacob Tamme -- so a pass-catcher is a definite possibility here. The Broncos might also look to fill needs at nose tackle and/or middle linebacker if free agents Terrance Knighton and/or Nate Irving depart. But I think that interior offensive line is an area they need to address at some point in the draft, and Collins would be a good value here at guard. He got a bit upright in pass protection when playing tackle for LSU, but he's a really strong run-blocker with good football character and intelligence and durability.

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    29Eli HaroldIndianapolis Colts (11-5)COLLEGE: VirginiaClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 235POS: OLB
    Analysis: Admittedly, this is a bit early for Harold to come off the board. We have a second-round grade on him, but he is a good fit for the Colts' defense as a 3-4 outside linebacker and he offers good upside as a pass-rusher. He's raw but has the length, flexibility and closing burst to develop into a good all-around player, and he was productive at Virginia (15.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and two interceptions his last two years at Virginia). He'd help the Colts get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks -- something they need -- and would benefit from playing alongside veteran Robert Mathis.

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    30Maxx WilliamsGreen Bay Packers (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE
    Analysis: The Packers need youth and athleticism at inside linebacker, so Mississippi State's Benardrick McKinney is a possibility. But the team could also afford an upgrade at tight end, and Williams is the most complete TE in what is shaping up to be a very shallow class. He has a very good combination of size (6-4, 250 pounds) and speed, and it's expected that he'll test really well at the combine later this month. He'd provide Aaron Rodgers with another weapon in the passing game, which could become increasingly important if Randall Cobb leaves in free agency.

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    31Todd GurleySeattle Seahawks (12-4)COLLEGE: GeorgiaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB
    Analysis: It's been rumored recently that the Seahawks could sign Marshawn Lynch to a long-term deal this offseason (he's entering the final year of his contract), but I'll believe that when I see it. If Lynch isn't with Seattle beyond the 2015 season, Gurley is a perfect replacement. He was a top-15 talent in this class prior to tearing his ACL this season, a powerful downhill runner who also has excellent speed -- the best NFL comparison I can come up with for Gurley is Lynch. The Seahawks would have to be comfortable with his health situation, but he could be an ideal successor to Lynch. They could also look to address offensive or defensive line here.

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    32Carl DavisNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 318POS: DT
    Analysis: Davis' motor ran hot and cold during his Iowa career, but at 6-4, 318 pounds he has a quick get-off, violent hands and the ability to quickly redirect once he has penetrated the backfield. He was a standout at the Senior Bowl in January, proving to be one of the toughest players for offensive linemen to block one-on-one. Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong could also make sense here, as would Georgia RB Todd Gurley if he's still on the board.

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    Post by Old#15 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 12:36

    If Mariota is there at 6, I hope we can make a trade with a Cleveland. Not sure #6 equates to #12 and #19, but 2 mid round #1's would be pretty sweet in this draft. OLB/WR/QB (Hundley in 2nd)/CB (3rd)/ILB (4th) or OL/WR/Hundley/CB/ILB would make a lot of sense to me. I also think that Hundley is not much different than Mariota in that both have an awful long way to go before being ready for NFL.
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    Post by SackExchange on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 13:17

    If Mariota is there at 6, unless you are blown away with an offer, I don't see how you pass up the chance to take him. Maybe Cleveland or Philly make such an offer, but if not, Mariota in that spot would be solid to me.
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    Post by Sarge on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 13:35

    SackExchange wrote:If Mariota is there at 6, unless you are blown away with an offer, I don't see how you pass up the chance to take him. Maybe Cleveland or Philly make such an offer, but if not, Mariota in that spot would be solid to me.

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    Post by Superman55 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 13:40

    The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought. It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

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    Post by Old#15 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 14:02

    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous. Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit. Big risk. Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?
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    Post by NickSINYC on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 14:15

    SackExchange wrote:If Mariota is there at 6, unless you are blown away with an offer, I don't see how you pass up the chance to take him. Maybe Cleveland or Philly make such an offer, but if not, Mariota in that spot would be solid to me.

    I agree

    I could not imagine what the next ten years would be like if we passed on him and he becomes a good QB

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    Post by Blindsidebrick on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 15:39

    Does anyone think Mariota is a lock in the same way Andrew Luck was?

    I remember everyone hyperventilating over RG3, too. Now, obviously one worked out well, and the other is still a question mark. But the point is, are we willing to take a risk this big for a QB? I'm not advocating or opposing this potential pick, as I see good points from both sides.

    Someone raised the point of what would happen if we passed on Mariota, and he "hit". That would be a bad deal for the Jets. But just to play devil's advocate, what happens if we take him at #6, and he's Jake Locker? That would be equally bad.
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    Post by NCgreen12 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 15:41

    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.
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    Re: McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

    Post by SackExchange on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 15:48

    Blindsidebrick wrote:Does anyone think Mariota is a lock in the same way Andrew Luck was?

    I remember everyone hyperventilating over RG3, too. Now, obviously one worked out well, and the other is still a question mark. But the point is, are we willing to take a risk this big for a QB? I'm not advocating or opposing this potential pick, as I see good points from both sides.

    Someone raised the point of what would happen if we passed on Mariota, and he "hit". That would be a bad deal for the Jets. But just to play devil's advocate, what happens if we take him at #6, and he's Jake Locker? That would be equally bad.
    No. There hasn't been a lock like Luck since Peyton. Expecting that is unrealistic.

    That's why I'd be all for drafting him at #6, but I wouldn't want to trade a ransom to deal up to get him.
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    Post by NickSINYC on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 15:55

    Blindsidebrick wrote:Does anyone think Mariota is a lock in the same way Andrew Luck was?

    I remember everyone hyperventilating over RG3, too. Now, obviously one worked out well, and the other is still a question mark. But the point is, are we willing to take a risk this big for a QB? I'm not advocating or opposing this potential pick, as I see good points from both sides.

    Someone raised the point of what would happen if we passed on Mariota, and he "hit". That would be a bad deal for the Jets. But just to play devil's advocate, what happens if we take him at #6, and he's Jake Locker? That would be equally bad.

    In no way do I think Mariota is a lock like Luck. I would have given anything to trade up for Luck I would not trade up for Mariota.

    I do think he has the size arm and speed to be a very good QB. He needs good coaching to be a sucess in the NFL. I think Gailey is perfect for that job.

    About the what if point. I do think it's much worse to pass on a franchise QB than using the 6th pick on a Locker type QB. In the 1st instance you ruin your next ten years. In the second you maybe you lost out on a good LB or WR.

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    Post by Old#15 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 16:12

    NCgreen12 wrote:
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    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.


    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks. Why are they any different than the Jets? Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs? I don't think so. Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so. I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times. Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster. My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.
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    Post by Superman55 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 16:17

    Old#15 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.

    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks.  Why are they any different than the Jets?  Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs?   I don't think so.  Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so.  I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times.  Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster.  My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.

    If Jets draft mariota, I dont think he'd start right away. I think you'd be looking at a Rivers and Brees situation...Geno would stay the starter. he knows NFL speed, terminology, and expectations...Mariota can't even take a 3 step drop and progress through reads yet. Im not saying either will be as good as Brees and/or Rivers, but I dont think this jets coaching staff would rush a QB that would struggle taking basic snap under center and running a conventional offense onto the field...

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    Post by Old#15 on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 16:28

    Superman55 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.

    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks.  Why are they any different than the Jets?  Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs?   I don't think so.  Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so.  I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times.  Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster.  My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.

    If Jets draft mariota, I dont think he'd start right away.  I think you'd be looking at a Rivers and Brees situation...Geno would stay the starter.  he knows NFL speed, terminology, and expectations...Mariota can't even take a 3 step drop and progress through reads yet.  Im not saying either will be as good as Brees and/or Rivers, but I dont think this jets coaching staff would rush a QB that would struggle taking basic snap under center and running a conventional offense onto the field...
    And if Geno breaks out under Gailey? I guess that could be a very good thing in the long run if Mariota does in fact have the goods.

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    Post by LIJETFAN on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 16:58

    Sack, I wouldn't go as far back as Peyton in terms of a sure thing QB. I think the consensus on Matt Ryan coming out was that he was a can't miss prospect. And he has been a very QB in the league. He's not in the class of the very top QBs, but certainly a very good player.

    Now if you mean, can't miss HOF talent type of player, yes Luck and Manning would be the only two in recent memory that fit that bill.

    I am not sold on either Winston or Mariota. Mariota reminds me a lot of Colin Kapernick and to a lesser extent Russell Wilson. Wilson is a great player, Kapernick had a bad year last year, but he's a talented player. So I think we would all be happy having a QB like Kapernick on our team. If he's there, the Jets almost have to take him, unless they get a blockbuster offer.

    This is a very weak QB class. I am not sure about next year's class, but again, there is no guarantee the Jets would be in a position to draft a QB next year. So, the Jets would almost have to take him.

    Here's the big unknown - can Gailey turn Geno Smith around. Geno has been awful at times. But the physical skills are definitely there - arm strength, mobility, velocity, touch. He has all the physical tools to be a really good NFL QB. He just hasn't put it together on the field. You see spurts. But no consistency. If he ever figures out the NFL game and has a little more talent around him, he could be a 25-30TD - 10 INT type of player every year, and you can win a Super Bowl with that. Now I have been very down on Geno, and I still am because it doesn't look like he can pull it together. And I would say this is his last chance here. But the Jets can't assume he becomes the player they hope he can be, so they would have to take Mariota at 6 if he's on the board.



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    Post by SackExchange on Thu 5 Feb 2015 - 17:06

    LIJETFAN wrote:Sack, I wouldn't go as far back as Peyton in terms of a sure thing QB.  I think the consensus on Matt Ryan coming out was that he was a can't miss prospect.  And he has been a very QB in the league.  He's not in the class of the very top QBs, but certainly a very good player.  

    Now if you mean, can't miss HOF talent type of player, yes Luck and Manning would be the only two in recent memory that fit that bill.  

    I am not sold on either Winston or Mariota.  Mariota reminds me a lot of Colin Kapernick and to a lesser extent Russell Wilson.  Wilson is a great player, Kapernick had a bad year last year, but he's a talented player.  So I think we would all be happy having a QB like Kapernick on our team.  If he's there, the Jets almost have to take him, unless they get a blockbuster offer.  

    This is a very weak QB class.  I am not sure about next year's class, but again, there is no guarantee the Jets would be in a position to draft a QB next year.  So, the Jets would almost have to take him.  

    Here's the big unknown - can Gailey turn Geno Smith around. Geno has been awful at times.  But the physical skills are definitely there - arm strength, mobility, velocity, touch.  He has all the physical tools to be a really good NFL QB.  He just hasn't put it together on the field.  You see spurts.  But no consistency.  If he ever figures out the NFL game and has a little more talent around him, he could be a 25-30TD - 10 INT type of player every year, and you can win a Super Bowl with that.   Now I have been very down on Geno, and I still am because it doesn't look like he can pull it together.  And I would say this is his last chance here.  But the Jets can't assume he becomes the player they hope he can be, so they would have to take Mariota at 6 if he's on the board.  



    Well, I'm a BC fan, so I'm biased toward Ryan. That said, Luck was by far the biggest can't miss since Peyton. Luck was a slam dunk.
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    Post by NCgreen12 on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 8:37

    Old#15 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.

    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks.  Why are they any different than the Jets?  Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs?   I don't think so.  Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so.  I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times.  Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster.  My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.

    My point was if a team like Philly really wanted Mariotta they would have to assume if he made it to the Jets they would draft him so their offer to move up would go to teams in front who most likely wouldn't draft a QB (Washington and Oakland). At that point both of them would probably make that deal to acquire more picks.

    With regards to Mariota, I agree with you that he is somewhat raw and would take work (I'd probably let him sit a year). However he has a lot of physical tools, size and work ethic that IMO is easily worth taking a chance on. If he's there I'd draft him. A possible franchise QB is easily worth that risk.

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    Post by Superman55 on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 9:18

    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.

    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks.  Why are they any different than the Jets?  Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs?   I don't think so.  Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so.  I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times.  Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster.  My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.

    My point was if a team like Philly really wanted Mariotta they would have to assume if he made it to the Jets they would draft him so their offer to move up would go to teams in front who most likely wouldn't draft a QB (Washington and Oakland). At that point both of them would probably make that deal to acquire more picks.

    With regards to Mariota, I agree with you that he is somewhat raw and would take work (I'd probably let him sit a year). However he has a lot of physical tools, size and work ethic that IMO is easily worth taking a chance on. If he's there I'd draft him. A possible franchise QB is easily worth that risk.  


    ...and high character. I dont "love" Mariota as a prospect, but I respect him a lot. I wouldnt be upset if we drafted him...but patience is the word with him. I have a lot of respect for high character football players that work hard and want to put in the work to be great. Say what you want about Geno, but he has those same qualities. He's a year round football player that puts everything else second, I respect that about Mariota also.

    I think if you put a score to place Mariota on your big board for this draft class, he's closer to #50 than #6, but the fact he's a QB will have teams putting him top 10. is he a top 10 talent? far from it, but at least you know he'll put in the work and stay "Russell Wilson like" off the field in terms of respectable and classy, and try to be amongst the best in the league. He's a very coachable kid that will always put in the extra reps...you have to appreciate a prospect like that. But with that said, so does Geno, the results dont always equal the work a player puts in.

    It will be interesting to see where Mariota lands; as of today, he could go anywhere from 1 to 36, IMO, which will make the draft process so fun to watch this year...like every year.

    Also, Matt Ryan was not a sure thing...or Parcells and the Dolphins would have taken him #1 overall. Parcells years later called it his biggest miss while working for the phins.

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    Post by Old#15 on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 10:28

    Superman55 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    If there's one position you do take a risk at it's QB. Getting a franchise guy can so drastically change the fate of your team for a decade. Also, the financial burden is not there anymore like it once was when you invested 50M without the guy ever taking a snap. If Mariota is there I can't see how the Jets in the shape their in with the QB position does not select him. I'd be shocked.

    BTW - if there's a team (Eagles) that wants Mariota that badly they will make their offer to the teams just ahead the Jets. At that point either Oakland or Washington would be nuts not to help their team with more draft picks.

    You had me up to the part about Oakland and Washington being nuts not to help their teams with the extra picks.  Why are they any different than the Jets?  Is it the fact that they have franchise QBs?   I don't think so.  Are we in a position where we don't need help in a lot of areas? Again, I don't think so.  I really think that if we draft Mariota he will start right away, and he will be understandably very green and awful at times.  Unless we have the patience as an organization to let him develop properly, I think it'll be another disaster.  My only caveat to that is that Rex isn't the HC anymore, so maybe it could work.

    My point was if a team like Philly really wanted Mariotta they would have to assume if he made it to the Jets they would draft him so their offer to move up would go to teams in front who most likely wouldn't draft a QB (Washington and Oakland). At that point both of them would probably make that deal to acquire more picks.

    With regards to Mariota, I agree with you that he is somewhat raw and would take work (I'd probably let him sit a year). However he has a lot of physical tools, size and work ethic that IMO is easily worth taking a chance on. If he's there I'd draft him. A possible franchise QB is easily worth that risk.  


    ...and high character.  I dont "love" Mariota as a prospect, but I respect him a lot.  I wouldnt be upset if we drafted him...but patience is the word with him.  I have a lot of respect for high character football players that work hard and want to put in the work to be great.  Say what you want about Geno, but he has those same qualities.  He's a year round football player that puts everything else second, I respect that about Mariota also.  

    I think if you put a score to place Mariota on your big board for this draft class, he's closer to #50 than #6, but the fact he's a QB will have teams putting him top 10.  is he a top 10 talent?  far from it, but at least you know he'll put in the work and stay "Russell Wilson like" off the field in terms of respectable and classy, and try to be amongst the best in the league.  He's a very coachable kid that will always put in the extra reps...you have to appreciate a prospect like that.  But with that said, so does Geno, the results dont always equal the work a player puts in.  

    It will be interesting to see where Mariota lands; as of today, he could go anywhere from 1 to 36, IMO, which will make the draft process so fun to watch this year...like every year.

    Also, Matt Ryan was not a sure thing...or Parcells and the Dolphins would have taken him #1 overall.  Parcells years later called it his biggest miss while working for the phins.

    Very good and fair points NC and 55. With Gailey as OC both guys have an opportunity to be good. Ideally Geno's light comes on under Gailey and we have the luxury of sitting Mariota for a year or more. That would be a nice long term solution to an age old Jet problem.

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    Post by Old#15 on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 10:39

    Just read this after my last post and it's just one man's opinion, but interesting nonetheless. Interesting what he says about Mariota and a couple of my favorites (on the positive side - Collins
    and Thompson, and negative Shane Ray).

    http://nyj.scout.com/story/1510832-options-for-sixth-overall-pick?s=65
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    Post by Seaver on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 17:22

    So McShady is telling everyone Mariota is a huge risk to transition.......yet he says he is the #6 value. Unreal. In essence, he's saying take a leap of faith he might be an NFL QB and pass up on somebody who is likely going to have an easier time making the leap. We're not talking might not live up to star billing, we're talking just making it as an NFL QB.

    Here's the thing. When you look at a QB coming in, you're looking for the guy to take the reigns eventually and be your 10 year starter. All we hear about Mariota is he is a spread QB- they don't play that in the NFL as a primary offense. So far NOBODY is claiming he can win from the pocket - something required at the next level. To me, this is a huge risk. They will have to see something significant in workouts that makes them think he will make it.......otherwise I'd hope for a trade partner.
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    Post by Seaver on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 17:26

    Old#15 wrote:Just read this after my last post and it's just one man's opinion, but interesting nonetheless.  Interesting what he says about Mariota and a couple of my favorites (on the positive side - Collins
    and Thompson, and negative Shane Ray).  

    http://nyj.scout.com/story/1510832-options-for-sixth-overall-pick?s=65

    the man makes sense.
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    Post by Seaver on Fri 6 Feb 2015 - 17:31

    Old#15 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:The fall of Mariota begins...sooner than I thought.  It was just last week people said it wasn't likely he'd be there at #6...dont be surprised if the Eagles dont have to trade up at all to draft Mariota by the time the draft process is complete.

    I think teams realize that there are very few plug and play QBs coming out of college, and that spending a top pick on one is very dangerous.  Guys like Mariota need time to develop, and a team in the position to spend a premium pick probably means they're not going to sit.  Big risk.  Besides, how much different is he than Hundley who you can probably get in 2nd round?

    once and for all...let's get Hundley off the table. The man cannot play the traditional QB position. I've watched him many a game the past few years....he is not a pocket passer. His first instinct is to flee. He is not a player to waste a pick on to play QB. He is destined for an early exit from the NFL or a career on the pine. As much as I have doubts about Mariota, this guy isn't even close to him. He would take YEARS to get to mediocre.

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