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    Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 9 Oct 2014 - 8:48

    He's been stuck in coverage more than we anticipated due to our new zone and cover 2 schemes and now he seems to be eliminating social media all together deleting his instagram and twitter accounts (likely to avoid fan backlash regardless of what he says). I know it is too early to be too concerned...but is anyone worried about this pick?

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by The Wicker Man on Thu 9 Oct 2014 - 9:23

    Call it a gut feeling, but no, I'm not worried. I really think he has all the tools to be an All-Pro safety.
    He is still an NFL pup, and I'm willing to bet by years end, he'll be showing signs worthy of a #1 pick.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 9 Oct 2014 - 9:45

    The Wicker Man wrote:Call it a gut feeling, but no, I'm not worried. I really think he has all the tools to be an All-Pro safety.
    He is still an NFL pup, and I'm willing to bet by years end, he'll be showing signs worthy of a #1 pick.

    I think he has the right mentality, so I think so too; however, he needs to be used more like Troy P than Rolle, IMO.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by The Wicker Man on Thu 9 Oct 2014 - 9:55

    I agree, and the fact that our cbs are so bad isn't doing him any favors.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by football51 on Thu 23 Oct 2014 - 17:04

    After a rocky start, Pryor is starting to come on strong. Quality work here by TOJ.







    http://turnonthejets.com/2014/10/toj-film-room-calvin-pryor-catching-secondary-grade-sheets/

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by cysporsche on Thu 23 Oct 2014 - 20:23

    Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S was drafted 3 picks after Pryor, just saying.....

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 23 Oct 2014 - 20:49

    cysporsche wrote:Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S was drafted 3 picks after Pryor, just saying.....

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    I wonder how much that dropped easy pick 6 week 1 would have spun his confidence if he just held onto that ball. I think he just got too excited when he saw that gimme.

    That said, I don't think either has been "stellar" and Ha Ha is playing with infinitely better CBs, Shields or Williams would be better than anything Pryor is playing with. At least playing with those 2 CB's, Dix can feel comfortable they're almost always going to be where they need to be. I mean, how often do you think Williams and Shields get badly beat?

    Now, playing with Allen and Walls, there's a pretty good chance the WR across from them is better at what they do at WR than what Walls and Allen do at CB. It's not too often Allen and Walls are going to out cover a WR for long. Dix can probably trust even if he misreads a play, he'll have an extra second or two to recover when he realizes he f'd up. There's no Revis/Cromartie beside Pryor so that when he mis-reads a play, the CBs still has the Wr locked most of the time.

    The Jets secondary is scary bad, with their 1 INT. There's no arguing that. But Dix and Pryor are off to similar starts, IMO.

    Dix: 35 tackles, 1 TFL, 1.0 sacks, 1 PD, 1 INT
    Pryor: 31 tackles, 2 TFL, 0.5 sacks, 2 PD, 0 INTs
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by SackExchange on Thu 23 Oct 2014 - 21:23

    I am not worried yet. He hasn't even had a full half-year. Let's show some patience.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 6:23

    It took Milliner to December for the light to go on. It's not unbelievable to think Pryor may need the same amount of time to develop.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 8:00

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/24/calvin-pryor-hasnt-had-expected-impact-on-jets-defense/

    This is how I feel.  While I haven't been thrilled with Pryor's play, I do recognize in this throw away season, we also threw away a season of developing young players by our sub par offseason.  The high school caliber play from our CBs has stunted Pryor's development and handcuffed Ryan into playing zone.

    Pryor isn't being used as intended, as in a true box safety that can also cover in the TJ Ward model; instead, he playing 20 yards off the line in cover 2 because we don't have any CBs.

    It's like drafting a center in the NBA that never gets any low post touches because your PG situation sucks so bad your rookie center has to bring it up and start the offense, then people are frustrated he's not doing enough in the post.

    That's what is happening with Pryor, we drafted him for one thing and we're using him for another because our secondary was crafted so poorly.

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 9:13

    I view this as a Rex problem. He rushes a rookie into the lineup and then plays him out of position. On top of that, he intimates that the kid is a disappointment. To me I'm seeing Pryor going the route of Coples as a square peg who is being shoe-horned (is that a word?) into Rex's round hole. He has been set up to fail, just like Coples. But for the young DLine, and I attribute their growth to the DL coach, Rex hasn't developed anyone.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 9:16

    Old#15 wrote:I view this as a Rex problem.  He rushes a rookie into the lineup and then plays him out of position.  On top of that, he intimates that the kid is a disappointment.  To me I'm seeing Pryor going the route of Coples as a square peg who is being shoe-horned (is that a word?) into Rex's round hole.  He has been set up to fail, just like Coples.  But for the young DLine, and I attribute their growth to the DL coach, Rex hasn't developed anyone.  

    Maybe, and I see your point on Coples, Pryor, and Allen if you think about it.

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 9:31

    Superman55 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:I view this as a Rex problem.  He rushes a rookie into the lineup and then plays him out of position.  On top of that, he intimates that the kid is a disappointment.  To me I'm seeing Pryor going the route of Coples as a square peg who is being shoe-horned (is that a word?) into Rex's round hole.  He has been set up to fail, just like Coples.  But for the young DLine, and I attribute their growth to the DL coach, Rex hasn't developed anyone.  

    Maybe, and I see your point on Coples, Pryor, and Allen if you think about it.

    Good article in the Post today about Rex's ego regarding HIS defense.  Top 10 in yards allowed!  Getting beyond that the Jets are on pace to set a record for fewest turnovers in a season, 26th in points allowed and one of the worst in 3rd down defense.  Maybe I'm backwards but I'd rather have a defense that is top 10 in fewest points allowed. He shouldn't be crowing about anything at this point in his tenure here. I bring this up because it is all about Rex's ego and his defense, and the fact that both are holding this team back.

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 9:39

    Tweets from Louis Riddick that essentially echo my sentiments:

    Pryor isn't a kid that can sit 25 yds deep on the hash, or 20 yds deep in the middle of the field, and provide the impact plays you want.


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    Criticizing #Jets SAF. Calvin Pryor, when you are not utilizing his strengths, and expecting him to be something he isn't. #Brilliant


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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 10:18

    Old#15 wrote:Tweets from Louis Riddick that essentially echo my sentiments:  

    Pryor isn't a kid that can sit 25 yds deep on the hash, or 20 yds deep in the middle of the field, and provide the impact plays you want.


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    Criticizing #Jets SAF. Calvin Pryor, when you are not utilizing his strengths, and expecting him to be something he isn't. #Brilliant



    The other side of the coin is what choice does Rex have?  Do you want him to put Pryor in the box, transition from a zone team back to a man team, and leave Allen and/or Walls on an island with Landry covering deep middle?

    I wouldn't say we are armed with the CBs for Rex to move Pryor up the field...

    This may be the worst starting CBs in NFL history, I'm not sure what you expect Rex to do from a coverage standpoint other than say stay in your area...because they can't stay with WRs...

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 10:39

    Superman55 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:Tweets from Louis Riddick that essentially echo my sentiments:  

    Pryor isn't a kid that can sit 25 yds deep on the hash, or 20 yds deep in the middle of the field, and provide the impact plays you want.


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    Criticizing #Jets SAF. Calvin Pryor, when you are not utilizing his strengths, and expecting him to be something he isn't. #Brilliant



    The other side of the coin is what choice does Rex have?  Do you want him to put Pryor in the box, transition from a zone team back to a man team, and leave Allen and/or Walls on an island with Landry covering deep middle?

    I wouldn't say we are armed with the CBs for Rex to move Pryor up the field...

    This may be the worst starting CBs in NFL history, I'm not sure what you expect Rex to do from a coverage standpoint other than say stay in your area...because they can't stay with WRs...

    I get that, but don't publicly criticize the kid for something that isn't his doing.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Seaver on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 10:46

    here's my issue.......if he was by use and nature more of a SS in college playing close to the line........why the hell did they draft him and expose him at free safety? Is that more an indictment of Landry at FS? Either way you then have 2 safeties out of position. Landry is basically invisible out there and Pryor is not allowed to apply his strength. Rex has always had a weird approach to how he used the safeties, IMO. I guess this is a case where Pryor is more athletic/faster than Landry and can play a zone better? The kid is basically going to be given a mulligan this season due to mismanagement of free agency/draft by Idzik.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 10:54

    Seaver wrote:here's my issue.......if he was by use and nature more of a SS in college playing close to the line........why the hell did they draft him and expose him at free safety?  Is that more an indictment of Landry at FS?  Either way you then have 2 safeties out of position.  Landry is basically invisible out there and Pryor is not allowed to apply his strength.  Rex has always had a weird approach to how he used the safeties, IMO.  I guess this is a case where Pryor is more athletic/faster than Landry and can play a zone better?  The kid is basically going to be given a mulligan this season due to mismanagement of free agency/draft by Idzik.  

    No one is given a mulligan in the NFL. Anyone giving Geno a mulligan for last year despite a banged up Jeremy Kerley and seldom used Greg Salas being the only WR on last year's roster being on this year's roster? I dont think so (and those two aren't exactly Harrison and Wayne...is that what Indi did, surround the greatest QB in NFL history with 2 #1 WRs...no way, they didn't give him Nelson, Salas, Hill, and Kerley to work with...I thought that's how franchise QBs are developed...by giving them garbage bag WRs Neutral ).

    Nope, no mulligans in the NFL, sir.

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 11:11

    Seaver wrote:here's my issue.......if he was by use and nature more of a SS in college playing close to the line........why the hell did they draft him and expose him at free safety?  Is that more an indictment of Landry at FS?  Either way you then have 2 safeties out of position.  Landry is basically invisible out there and Pryor is not allowed to apply his strength.  Rex has always had a weird approach to how he used the safeties, IMO.  I guess this is a case where Pryor is more athletic/faster than Landry and can play a zone better?  The kid is basically going to be given a mulligan this season due to mismanagement of free agency/draft by Idzik.  

    I think we are saying the same thing up until who we're blaming. How about both Idzik/Ryan/injuries? The thing is we had arguably a #1 CB in Milliner, a #2/3 in Patterson (obviously a big mistake) and McDougle through the draft. And now none of them are playing due to injuries and mental illness, the injuries are not Idzik's fault, Patterson is. Rex has had to make do with what's left, and in the process has made it worse in my opinion. He is screwing with a very talented player's head, because he won't call out Idzik for not giving him Revis or Cromartie, etc.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Seaver on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 12:11

    Superman55 wrote:
    Seaver wrote:here's my issue.......if he was by use and nature more of a SS in college playing close to the line........why the hell did they draft him and expose him at free safety?  Is that more an indictment of Landry at FS?  Either way you then have 2 safeties out of position.  Landry is basically invisible out there and Pryor is not allowed to apply his strength.  Rex has always had a weird approach to how he used the safeties, IMO.  I guess this is a case where Pryor is more athletic/faster than Landry and can play a zone better?  The kid is basically going to be given a mulligan this season due to mismanagement of free agency/draft by Idzik.  

    No one is given a mulligan in the NFL.  Anyone giving Geno a mulligan for last year despite a banged up Jeremy Kerley and seldom used Greg Salas being the only WR on last year's roster being on this year's roster?  I dont think so (and those two aren't exactly Harrison and Wayne...is that what Indi did, surround the greatest QB in NFL history with 2 #1 WRs...no way, they didn't give him Nelson, Salas, Hill, and Kerley to work with...I thought that's how franchise QBs are developed...by giving them garbage bag WRs Neutral ).

    Nope, no mulligans in the NFL, sir.

    yeah but the difference is Geno sucks. He's not a franchise Qb and never should've been viewed as such. tongue
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by football51 on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 12:23

    I actually believe that Pryor has the athleticism to play the coverages he's currently in. The issue, at least now, is his lack of experience doing so. IMO, he'll be much better off in the long run having been exposed to so many different looks. The TOJ link I provided shows that he is growing accustomed to it and should develop nicely into a well rounded safety. Pryor has a basketball and baseball background as well. He's plenty athletic enough. He just needs the reps in these coverages which he didn't see much of(if at all) in college.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by HYATT™ on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 21:53

    Safety is the hardest defensive position to master, SS the hardest of all.
    I don't even BEGIN to evaluate a SS until his 3rd season, unless he falls into a black hole before then.
    Darren Sharper, pretty good NFL career, no?
    He was DUMBER THAN A BOX-O'-ROX early in his career and barely started to catch on until the end of his 3rd year - and THAT with playing alongside one of the 3 best SS to play in the NFL in the past 50 years - LeRoy Butler, a man who redefined the SS position.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Superman55 on Mon 3 Nov 2014 - 8:48

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    Calvin Pryor had an incredible amount of hype the moment he was headed to the pros. The New York Jets‘ safety was dubbed as a hard-hitting tackler that had keen defensive skills that made him a force to reckon with on the field. He was quick to respond on plays and had a knack for being anywhere on the field where he could make an impact. He even had the nickname “Bonecrusher” because he hit so hard, you could feel it in your bones.

    So far this season, Pryor has been a non-factor. He had one promising game during the preseason when he made his first professional football debut and since then, hasn’t done anything worth mentioning. He looks confused on the field most of the time and doesn’t register any kind of tackle that makes one clinch their teeth. It’s so bad that he even got benched in his latest efforts during the Jets’ recent loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in Week 9 to the tune of 24-10.

    Whether it’s the Jets’ fault or the fact that he still has a learning curve to get over, he hasn’t lived up to any of the expectations everyone had envisioned. One could make the case that since the team is such a mess this season and is an abysmal 1-8 for the year, it could just be a trickling effect of all the losing. It’s so bad this year with the Jets that it could just end up being one of the worst seasons ever in franchise history.

    Now with primarily being given the diminishing role of special teams tackler, Pryor could end up being one big draft bust. If that is what eventually is proven to be the case, it will show general manager John Idzik has absolutely no idea how to evaluate good future talent via the draft. Considering the mess the Jets have with their cornerback situation, many thought they would have gone that route but neglected to address it.

    Not only are the Jets suffering big time in their defensive secondary, but Pryor continues to look like he was a mistake made by the Jets to be drafted. With so many other options that were available with their first-round draft pick, so far he looks like he’s not even good enough to cut it as a starter in the NFL.

    Over time we will all tell what his path will be but one thing is for sure: he’s nowhere near the kind of athlete that should be giving the Jets at least something positive to smile about this year.

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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by Metjetgal on Mon 3 Nov 2014 - 11:10

    I said it yesterday, he and Amaro better step up. They have go to pan out. Take a look at what some rookie wr's are doing this yr. Evans, Watkins, Adams, Moncrief, Benjamin, and more. It's insane that Idzik whiffed thus far on the position in the draft. Pryor and Amaro have to pan out.
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    Re: Calvin Pryor

    Post by SackExchange on Mon 3 Nov 2014 - 12:57

    Way too early to judge Pryor. I hate his benching, because the one thing he needs is reps.

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