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    Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 7:05

    It's getting ugly when he says players aren't giving much effort in meetings or practices...he might as well say Ryan has lost the team.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/jets-demario-davis-doesnt-see-enough-effort-from-his-teammates/

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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by The Wicker Man on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 7:28

    The snowball is rolling downhill.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 8:05

    The Wicker Man wrote:The snowball is rolling downhill.

    I knew this was always a possibility with Rex, the way he coaches, but I just never thought it would actually happen.i think A few were worried about this last year, but I always felt the players loved his philosophies and had a lot is respect to his approach to the game, heart, passion, and a D that knocked people out. Kind of sad to be honest. I think his time here is over but he'll definitely get another shot, IMO.

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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by trico990 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 9:10

    I am really disappointed that Davis would say that publicly whether true or just his perception. RR is loyal to a fault and I don't remember him leaving any player out to dry publicly. At the least Davis should have kept his mouth shut out of common courtesy.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by JohnnyBaseball on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 13:49

    I disagree. Maybe this can shame some of the players into trying harder. He wouldn't say this unless the level of effort was VERY bad, IMO.

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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by lnap23 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 14:00

    I disagree as well.... Seeing the type of person Davis is, it is obvious this needed to be said and said Publicly!! And unlike years past he put his name on it.... Which absolutely says a lot.. I like it

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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by soj on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 14:29

    I have been a REX supporter and like him but have been troubled for some time about his perceptions about the team, the undisciplined play and the fact that the O is still offensive but most of all NO ACCOUNTABILITY.  In addition, I been critical the entire time he has been here because he is to much like his dad and never grew into a HC. He is and IMHO always be a glorified DC not HC material. Like his old man he will probably get another gig somewhere and maybe - hopefully - he will do better but I do not think so... he has had every opportunity to be a HC and he simply isn't which probably means he is not capable.

    BTW - I am glad that he spoke up and BTW if your not aware Mangold also made similar statements.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by football51 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 14:50

    This is where Rex has a big issue. Last week, he publicly stated during his media conferences that the practices were sharp and the team was ready for the Chargers. Now, either he was lying( which there was no reason to do. practices are closed to the media and he volunteered the information), or, he really is clueless as to what is going on. He's admitted to being clueless in the past ( Holmes getting kicked out of the huddle, overall locker room turmoil). Ever since I read Collision Low Crossers, I've known that Rex is not a quality HC. He's an excellent defensive mind and seemingly a really good guy, but not qualified for the head job. If you read the book, his own assistants begin to realize the same. IMO, Davis was calling out some of his teammates who aren't pulling their own weight which is what good leaders do. It's not his fault that the HC isn't doing his job for whatever reason.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 15:00

    football51 wrote:This is where Rex has a big issue. Last week, he publicly stated during his media conferences that the practices were sharp and the team was ready for the Chargers. Now, either he was lying( which there was no reason to do. practices are closed to the media and he volunteered the information), or, he really is clueless as to what is going on. He's admitted to being clueless in the past ( Holmes getting kicked out of the huddle, overall locker room turmoil). Ever since I read Collision Low Crossers, I've known that Rex is not a quality HC. He's an excellent defensive mind and seemingly a really good guy, but not qualified for the head job. If you read the book, his own assistants begin to realize the same. IMO, Davis was calling out some of his teammates who aren't pulling their own weight which is what good leaders do. It's not his fault that the HC isn't doing his job for whatever reason.

    All good points, and no, I haven't read the book yet...but I think all that says all of this, the guy is losing touch with the football team. Period. I think Davis was sick of the chirping in the preseason too, and now Pryor isn't saying so much. Now rex isn't talking about how scared people are of them, but how great everyone he's coaching against is (because even he knows the Jets are doormats, IMO). Didn't take long to shut the Jets up. Davis was right then, and he's probably right now. The team is unglued, IMO; not becoming unglued, they are completely off the tracks.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by football51 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 16:09

    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · Oct 6
    Last time I'll say it today but as I said earlier: blame GM/QB, blame plenty of things but don't be naive enough to not blame coaching too





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · Oct 6
    #Jets are 15-25 in their last 40 games with 10 of those 25 losses by 20 points or more. 20 points. Their players are publicly questioning..





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · Oct 6
    ...preparation/motivation. We all like Rex for obvious reasons but stop deluding yourself into thinking he is a "great" coach or a victim.




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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Metjetgal on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 17:19

    By no means is he a great coach, he sure has his shortcomings, however he has had a garbage roster for 3 yrs. If we had the Giants roster, we probably would be undefeated.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by JohnnyBaseball on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 17:20

    And we HAVE to be leading the league in 12 men on the field penalties over Rex's time here! That drives me nuts!
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by danfran on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 19:13

    Does anyone here think maybe the Jets team gave so little effort on Sunday because they were pissed off that the QB started the game after missing the team meeting? Not sure I agree with that, but I heard that opinion on talk radio today. Also doesnt follow that they would play as bad for Vick, but maybe it's hard to turn it on and off.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by football51 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 19:28

    danfran wrote:Does anyone here think maybe the Jets team gave so little effort on Sunday because they were pissed off that the QB started the game after missing the team meeting? Not sure I agree with that, but I heard that opinion on talk radio today. Also doesnt follow that they would play as bad for Vick, but maybe it's hard to turn it on and off.




    I don't think so.



    http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/geno-smith-missing-meeting-not-the-reason-jets-lost-wilkerson-says-1.9476489
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 7 Oct 2014 - 20:07

    JohnnyBaseball wrote:And we HAVE to be leading the league in 12 men on the field penalties over Rex's time here! That drives me nuts!

    Me too; you know, like the Packers game when David Harris picked off Rodgers only to have it called back for 12 men on the field?
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by football51 on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 15:35

    Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers · 18m 18 minutes ago
    DeMario has turned into quite a leader He deserves kudos for pointing out problems that can't just be fixed by believing in people more.






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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by football51 on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 15:51

    Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN · 3m 3 minutes ago
    So Rex opens today's presser saying they need to practice with more energy but then disagrees with Demario who basically made same point???
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    Post by football51 on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 15:53

    Sounds like this is one of the players Davis was talking about.






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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 16:09

    football51 wrote:Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets  ·  Oct 6
    Last time I'll say it today but as I said earlier: blame GM/QB, blame plenty of things but don't be naive enough to not blame coaching too





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    #Jets are 15-25 in their last 40 games with 10 of those 25 losses by 20 points or more. 20 points. Their players are publicly questioning..





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    ...preparation/motivation. We all like Rex for obvious reasons but stop deluding yourself into thinking he is a "great" coach or a victim.





    I believe this team lacks discipline. I believe this team has too loose of a culture. And I believe that this team, although lacking in talent in a few areas (especially lack of a franchise QB), is not playing up to it's ability. Most of this is on Rex. Some of this is on player's crappy preparation and execution, and yes, some of this is on Idzik gambling on a conservative approach in the off season.

    A handful of problems, none of which can be simplified by blaming one person. The solution starts right now by saying goodbye to Rex Ryan. I hate to say it, but he needs to go.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by MachinaVerde on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 16:24

    I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 16:44

    MachinaVerde wrote:I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming

    If the next two games are like the last one, I'm not so sure he will.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by NickSINYC on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 17:02

    Superman55 wrote:
    MachinaVerde wrote:I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming

    If the next two games are like the last one, I'm not so sure he will.

    If the next two games continue the downward spiral Rex should go on the spot. What scares me is clueless Woody he is as easy on Rex as he is on his players. No accountability no one can do any wrong

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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 17:55

    NickSINYC wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:
    MachinaVerde wrote:I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming

    If the next two games are like the last one, I'm not so sure he will.

    If the next two games continue the downward spiral Rex should go on the spot. What scares me is clueless Woody he is as easy on Rex as he is on his players. No accountability no one can do any wrong

    Woody stuck by a coach who was universally loved by his players, and a coach who took the Jets to two consecutive AFC Championships. I wouldn't call that clueless. Clueless is firing head coaches left and right, and starting over seemingly every season like the Raiders.

    Continuity is one key to success. But I'm in agreement that firing Rex is the right decision at this time.
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    Post by NickSINYC on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 18:00

    Blindsidebrick wrote:
    NickSINYC wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:
    MachinaVerde wrote:I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming

    If the next two games are like the last one, I'm not so sure he will.

    If the next two games continue the downward spiral Rex should go on the spot. What scares me is clueless Woody he is as easy on Rex as he is on his players. No accountability no one can do any wrong

    Woody stuck by a coach who was universally loved by his players, and a coach who took the Jets to two consecutive AFC Championships. I wouldn't call that clueless. Clueless is firing head coaches left and right, and starting over seemingly every season like the Raiders.

    Continuity is one key to success. But I'm in agreement that firing Rex is the right decision at this time.

    Clueless is forcing a HC on a new GM and thinking they will be on the same page when it come to the team. It rarely if ever works as and is proving to be a disaster again.
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    Re: Demario Davis says players aren't giving effort

    Post by Superman55 on Wed 8 Oct 2014 - 23:31

    NickSINYC wrote:
    Blindsidebrick wrote:
    NickSINYC wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:
    MachinaVerde wrote:I am starting to wonder if Rex will make it through the season.  Yikes, I never saw this coming

    If the next two games are like the last one, I'm not so sure he will.

    If the next two games continue the downward spiral Rex should go on the spot. What scares me is clueless Woody he is as easy on Rex as he is on his players. No accountability no one can do any wrong

    Woody stuck by a coach who was universally loved by his players, and a coach who took the Jets to two consecutive AFC Championships. I wouldn't call that clueless. Clueless is firing head coaches left and right, and starting over seemingly every season like the Raiders.

    Continuity is one key to success. But I'm in agreement that firing Rex is the right decision at this time.

     Clueless is forcing a HC on a new GM and thinking they will be on the same page when it come to the team. It rarely if ever works as and is proving to  be a disaster again.

    But man, it's going to get ugly if idzik and his new coach year 1 is worse than this year. Idzik needs to hit on some draft picks and have some 1-2 year players start stepping up...because we're not getting enough from his picks yet other than Richardson who's a consistent monster. We need Milliner consistently on the field, one of our young OGs standing up between Mangold and Brick (Winters, Aboushi, and/or Dozier need to solidify our OG issues), Pryor to start making plays, and Amaro to continue to grow within the offense (I think he is developing fine, he can be eased in till he's more comfortable, he can still get 3-4 catches a game). It would help if Geno started getting it together, but I think Idzik needs to add a QB next year early in the draft no matter what.

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