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    Post by Superman55 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 8:51

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    What a loser, no wonder you like Geno, You can't handle pressure.  That's how you handle a rebuttle? Your a joke 55.  Keep posting articles on how your daddy Geno is "progressing" and how he feels like "He'll be an elite QB" one day.
    Hell, the more i think about it. i think he guiding his "F" bomb towards you in order to get off his Anaconda you seem to be latching on to.

    Well, Dan, I think you've made your point, you don't like Geno. I think every single thread on this page has a post from you saying you don't like geno. That's fine. I think you fall in line with 90% of the jets fanbase. I also think that's fine.

    As the Qb, of course his mistakes are amplified, he wasn't very accurate last game, and when he was, it didn't matter much.

    You know, like Geno, I still like Eric Decker. He dropped 3 balls last game, including a huge sideline route on the last drive that would have been a 30 yard reception. I don't see a bunch of "Decker is a bum posts," because he's a WR, they drop balls. Read Namath's quotes today, he was actualy spot on for a change.

    The blame, no matter how much you try, isn't solely on Geno. It just isn't.

    * we have 12 pick not producing at all
    * we have $21.5 mill less talent on our roster than every team we play against
    * we have a secondary without a single pick or game changing play, only us and 1 other team have that issue
    * we have a young QB that needs to improve his accuracy and consistency...while he is still completing over 60% of his passes, the highest comp % we've had in 6 seasons
    * We dont have reliable pass catchers, a homerun threat on offense, or guys who can get open outside of Decker...
    * our oline has been shaky pass protecting at best
    * we have too many penalties to overcome with this level of talent on our roster

    It's not excuses, its multiple facets of our team failing and leading to losses. As Namath said yesterday, sure woudl help if Geno was more accurate, which would happen if he had more time to throw, and when he does throw...it would be nice if his $8 mill per year WR caught the ball too, and it would help if they had more than 1 WR that is a reliable target even when he's off his game...and we have $21.5 million in the bank on money with an expiration date that vanishes when not spent.

    Believe it or not, there is plenty of blame to go around...

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    Post by LIJETFAN on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 8:54

    The bottom line is this - until the Jets start winning divisions, making the playoffs and ultimately winning a championship the front office, coaching staff and QB are going to be open for criticism. All of that stops when the Jets win. Until that time, everyone is fair game, Idzik, Rex, Geno, the WRs, the WRs coach, the CBs and on down the line.

    The weaknesses on this team are glaringly obvious, WR, CB and the QB needs to improve. The QB/WR dynamic is a chicken-egg conundrum. Would Geno improve faster in his second year with a better supporting cast? The CB question is a little easier, the players are probably playing to the best of their ability. But neither was intended to be a starter at that position. And Milliner, our quote #1 CB has been underwhelming or worse for the majority of the games he's played.

    So if the question is personnel, then you have to look at who is charge of the personnel on the team. Is it Rex? Not anymore. The last two drafts were owned by Idzik. So, it is Idzik and Bradway leading the charge. Then you look at the track record of those drafts- Richardson, great player, excellent pick. Winters, jury is still out. He has been a disappointment so far and has made some game changing mistakes (the missed block in GB that led to the INT). Milliner, jury is still out, but again a disappointment thus far. Bohanan, nice player, good late round pick. Antonio Allen, good late round pick. Geno Smith, jury is still out. Overall, a mixed draft so far, with some boom or bust picks. This draft - 12 picks, 12. Pryor - so far underwhelming but is very early in the season. He certainly by all accounts has the potential to be a very good player. Amaro, looks good when he gets his opportunities. After that - Dozier made the team. Reilly plays special teams. Everyone else is either injured, on the Practice Squad or cut altogether. Not a good track record there considering we had twelve picks.

    Then you go to Free Agency - Decker, good player, nice pickup. Willie Colon, decent player, good leader, injury and penalty prone. Overall a solid pick up but not a long term solution. Chris Ivory, excellent pickup. Chris Johnson, solid pickup too. Giacomini - decent player, good pickup. Vick, good signing as a backup. Anyone else? Then the bad, Dimitri Patterson, supposed to start at CB, off the team. Mike Goodson, no explanation needed.

    So being fair to Idzik, his track record on personnel is mixed. He has made some good to excellent moves and then some very bad moves. His draft record is also mixed. Last year's draft right now does not look good given that we had 12 picks. But, he is two years into his program of building the roster so he needs more time. The biggest criticism I have is that he failed to address the most two most glaring holes on the roster in a year when the scheduled demanded that those needs get addressed to be competitive. If Milliner comes back and turns it around and plays like a #1 CB, then part of the problem is solved. If the offense figures out a way to protect the ball, the WRs can get open, again problem solved. So we need to let this play out a bit more. But, it might be too little late this season if the Jets don't improve in a hurry.

    Looking ahead, next year, the Jets need help at CB, WR and need to add another safety because Landry is getting up there. On the offensive line, same thing, some of the players are aging so you have to start to add players there at LT and C for the future. At QB time will tell. The Jets need to add depth at LB too because Harris is starting to age. All of that is fixable next season given our cap room and the number of picks we have. That is unless we have to start over at QB. If that is the case, then we are rebuilding again and need to wait at least 2 more seasons to see how that plays out unless we strike gold with a Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck (which is unlikely). This season the Jets are a team that needs to improve significantly at QB, CB and WR to be competitive and turn the season around. Based on what we have seen thus far, the glaring weaknesses on the team, combined with mixed results in the draft (Geno, Winters, Milliner and the missing in action picks this season) has led to a 1-3 record.





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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by Superman55 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 8:57

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    LIJETFAN wrote:The bottom line is this - until the Jets start winning divisions, making the playoffs and ultimately winning a championship the front office, coaching staff and QB are going to be open for criticism.  All of that stops when the Jets win.  Until that time, everyone is fair game, Idzik, Rex, Geno, the WRs, the WRs coach, the CBs and on down the line.  

    The weaknesses on this team are glaringly obvious, WR, CB and the QB needs to improve.  The QB/WR dynamic is a chicken-egg conundrum.  Would Geno improve faster in his second year with a better supporting cast?  The CB question is a little easier, the players are probably playing to the best of their ability.  But neither was intended to be a starter at that position.  And Milliner, our quote #1 CB has been underwhelming or worse for the majority of the games he's played.  

    So if the question is personnel, then you have to look at who is charge of the personnel on the team.  Is it Rex?  Not anymore.  The last two drafts were owned by Idzik.  So, it is Idzik and Bradway leading the charge.  Then you look at the track record of those drafts- Richardson, great player, excellent pick.  Winters, jury is still out.  He has been a disappointment so far and has made some game changing mistakes (the missed block in GB that led to the INT).  Milliner, jury is still out, but again a disappointment thus far.  Bohanan, nice player, good late round pick.  Antonio Allen, good late round pick. Geno Smith, jury is still out.  Overall, a mixed draft so far, with some boom or bust picks.   This draft - 12 picks, 12.  Pryor - so far underwhelming but is very early in the season. He certainly by all accounts has the potential to be a very good player.  Amaro, looks good when he gets his opportunities.  After that - Dozier made the team.  Reilly plays special teams.  Everyone else is either injured, on the Practice Squad or cut altogether.  Not a good track record there considering we had twelve picks.  

    Then you go to Free Agency - Decker, good player, nice pickup.  Willie Colon, decent player, good leader, injury and penalty prone.  Overall a solid pick up but not a long term solution.  Chris Ivory, excellent pickup.  Chris Johnson, solid pickup too.  Giacomini - decent player, good pickup.  Vick, good signing as a backup.  Anyone else?  Then the bad, Dimitri Patterson, supposed to start at CB, off the team.  Mike Goodson, no explanation needed.  

    So being fair to Idzik, his track record on personnel is mixed.  He has made some good to excellent moves and then some very bad moves.  His draft record is also mixed.  Last year's draft right now does not look good given that we had 12 picks.  But, he is two years into his program of building the roster so he needs more time. The biggest criticism I have is that he failed to address the most two most glaring holes on the roster in a year when the scheduled demanded that those needs get addressed to be competitive.  If Milliner comes back and turns it around and plays like a #1 CB, then part of the problem is solved.  If the offense figures out a way to protect the ball, the WRs can get open, again problem solved.  So we need to let this play out a bit more.  But, it might be too little late this season if the Jets don't improve in a hurry.  

    Looking ahead, next year, the Jets need help at CB, WR and need to add another safety because Landry is getting up there.  On the offensive line, same thing, some of the players are aging so you have to start to add players there at LT and C for the future.  At QB time will tell.  The Jets need to add depth at LB too because Harris is starting to age.  All of that is fixable next season given our cap room and the number of picks we have.  That is unless we have to start over at QB.  If that is the case, then we are rebuilding again and need to wait at least 2 more seasons to see how that plays out unless we strike gold with a Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck (which is unlikely).  This season the Jets are a team that needs to improve significantly at QB, CB and WR to be competitive and turn the season around.  Based on what we have seen thus far, the glaring weaknesses on the team, combined with mixed results in the draft (Geno, Winters, Milliner and the missing in action picks this season) has led to a 1-3 record.  


    Good post. I agree.

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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by hobson54 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 9:08

    LIJETFAN wrote:The bottom line is this - until the Jets start winning divisions, making the playoffs and ultimately winning a championship the front office, coaching staff and QB are going to be open for criticism.  All of that stops when the Jets win.  Until that time, everyone is fair game, Idzik, Rex, Geno, the WRs, the WRs coach, the CBs and on down the line.  

    The weaknesses on this team are glaringly obvious, WR, CB and the QB needs to improve.  The QB/WR dynamic is a chicken-egg conundrum.  Would Geno improve faster in his second year with a better supporting cast?  The CB question is a little easier, the players are probably playing to the best of their ability.  But neither was intended to be a starter at that position.  And Milliner, our quote #1 CB has been underwhelming or worse for the majority of the games he's played.  

    So if the question is personnel, then you have to look at who is charge of the personnel on the team.  Is it Rex?  Not anymore.  The last two drafts were owned by Idzik.  So, it is Idzik and Bradway leading the charge.  Then you look at the track record of those drafts- Richardson, great player, excellent pick.  Winters, jury is still out.  He has been a disappointment so far and has made some game changing mistakes (the missed block in GB that led to the INT).  Milliner, jury is still out, but again a disappointment thus far.  Bohanan, nice player, good late round pick.  Antonio Allen, good late round pick. Geno Smith, jury is still out.  Overall, a mixed draft so far, with some boom or bust picks.   This draft - 12 picks, 12.  Pryor - so far underwhelming but is very early in the season. He certainly by all accounts has the potential to be a very good player.  Amaro, looks good when he gets his opportunities.  After that - Dozier made the team.  Reilly plays special teams.  Everyone else is either injured, on the Practice Squad or cut altogether.  Not a good track record there considering we had twelve picks.  

    Then you go to Free Agency - Decker, good player, nice pickup.  Willie Colon, decent player, good leader, injury and penalty prone.  Overall a solid pick up but not a long term solution.  Chris Ivory, excellent pickup.  Chris Johnson, solid pickup too.  Giacomini - decent player, good pickup.  Vick, good signing as a backup.  Anyone else?  Then the bad, Dimitri Patterson, supposed to start at CB, off the team.  Mike Goodson, no explanation needed.  

    So being fair to Idzik, his track record on personnel is mixed.  He has made some good to excellent moves and then some very bad moves.  His draft record is also mixed.  Last year's draft right now does not look good given that we had 12 picks.  But, he is two years into his program of building the roster so he needs more time. The biggest criticism I have is that he failed to address the most two most glaring holes on the roster in a year when the scheduled demanded that those needs get addressed to be competitive.  If Milliner comes back and turns it around and plays like a #1 CB, then part of the problem is solved.  If the offense figures out a way to protect the ball, the WRs can get open, again problem solved.  So we need to let this play out a bit more.  But, it might be too little late this season if the Jets don't improve in a hurry.  

    Looking ahead, next year, the Jets need help at CB, WR and need to add another safety because Landry is getting up there.  On the offensive line, same thing, some of the players are aging so you have to start to add players there at LT and C for the future.  At QB time will tell.  The Jets need to add depth at LB too because Harris is starting to age.  All of that is fixable next season given our cap room and the number of picks we have.  That is unless we have to start over at QB.  If that is the case, then we are rebuilding again and need to wait at least 2 more seasons to see how that plays out unless we strike gold with a Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck (which is unlikely).  This season the Jets are a team that needs to improve significantly at QB, CB and WR to be competitive and turn the season around.  Based on what we have seen thus far, the glaring weaknesses on the team, combined with mixed results in the draft (Geno, Winters, Milliner and the missing in action picks this season) has led to a 1-3 record.  







    great post. a very spot on analysis, imo

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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by Metjetgal on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 9:33

    The fact that Idzik went into this season with this set of cb's was horrific. Why did you bother to keep Rex?
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    Post by SackExchange on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 10:33

    LI, that is a great assessment. Fair, balanced, spot on.
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    Post by NCgreen12 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 11:13

    Superman55 wrote:Jets and Saints are the only teams in the NFl without an interception this season, in case there was any doubt how bad our secondary was put together.

    Interesting that both defenses are run by a Ryan.. Just saying..

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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by hobson54 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 11:21

    NCgreen12 wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:Jets and Saints are the only teams in the NFl without an interception this season, in case there was any doubt how bad our secondary was put together.

    Interesting that both defenses are run by a Ryan.. Just saying..

    can't comment on the saints, but the jets have dropped a number of easy int's. but i guess that's why those guys are playing defense and not WR

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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by LIJETFAN on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 11:25

    Thank you Sack, 55 and Hobson, much appreciated.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by Superman55 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 11:27

    LIJETFAN wrote:Thank you Sack, 55 and Hobson, much appreciated.

    Well, you made this the only thread worth reading now. J-E-T-S
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by danfran on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 12:28

    Nice write-up. Cant argue with any of what's there-except that statement about having cap room next year? ("All that is fixable given our cap room") They had cap room this year and didn't use it.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by NCgreen12 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 12:54

    danfran wrote:Nice write-up. Cant argue with any of what's there-except that statement about having cap room next year? ("All that is fixable given our cap room") They had cap room this year and didn't use it.

    What we don't know is no matter how much money he has to spend will Idzik continue his very methodical off seasons and look mostly for bargains or realize sometimes you have to pay market value to get needed talent that is typically risky being filled through a drafted first year player. There are even times you can overpay a guy on a deal that can typically be terminated after year one or two with no cap consequences. There were a million deals like that every off season.

    Hope he's learned some alternate strategies in building this team.

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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by soj on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 15:28

    hobson54 wrote:
    LIJETFAN wrote:The bottom line is this - until the Jets start winning divisions, making the playoffs and ultimately winning a championship the front office, coaching staff and QB are going to be open for criticism.  All of that stops when the Jets win.  Until that time, everyone is fair game, Idzik, Rex, Geno, the WRs, the WRs coach, the CBs and on down the line.  

    The weaknesses on this team are glaringly obvious, WR, CB and the QB needs to improve.  The QB/WR dynamic is a chicken-egg conundrum.  Would Geno improve faster in his second year with a better supporting cast?  The CB question is a little easier, the players are probably playing to the best of their ability.  But neither was intended to be a starter at that position.  And Milliner, our quote #1 CB has been underwhelming or worse for the majority of the games he's played.  

    So if the question is personnel, then you have to look at who is charge of the personnel on the team.  Is it Rex?  Not anymore.  The last two drafts were owned by Idzik.  So, it is Idzik and Bradway leading the charge.  Then you look at the track record of those drafts- Richardson, great player, excellent pick.  Winters, jury is still out.  He has been a disappointment so far and has made some game changing mistakes (the missed block in GB that led to the INT).  Milliner, jury is still out, but again a disappointment thus far.  Bohanan, nice player, good late round pick.  Antonio Allen, good late round pick. Geno Smith, jury is still out.  Overall, a mixed draft so far, with some boom or bust picks.   This draft - 12 picks, 12.  Pryor - so far underwhelming but is very early in the season. He certainly by all accounts has the potential to be a very good player.  Amaro, looks good when he gets his opportunities.  After that - Dozier made the team.  Reilly plays special teams.  Everyone else is either injured, on the Practice Squad or cut altogether.  Not a good track record there considering we had twelve picks.  

    Then you go to Free Agency - Decker, good player, nice pickup.  Willie Colon, decent player, good leader, injury and penalty prone.  Overall a solid pick up but not a long term solution.  Chris Ivory, excellent pickup.  Chris Johnson, solid pickup too.  Giacomini - decent player, good pickup.  Vick, good signing as a backup.  Anyone else?  Then the bad, Dimitri Patterson, supposed to start at CB, off the team.  Mike Goodson, no explanation needed.  

    So being fair to Idzik, his track record on personnel is mixed.  He has made some good to excellent moves and then some very bad moves.  His draft record is also mixed.  Last year's draft right now does not look good given that we had 12 picks.  But, he is two years into his program of building the roster so he needs more time. The biggest criticism I have is that he failed to address the most two most glaring holes on the roster in a year when the scheduled demanded that those needs get addressed to be competitive.  If Milliner comes back and turns it around and plays like a #1 CB, then part of the problem is solved.  If the offense figures out a way to protect the ball, the WRs can get open, again problem solved.  So we need to let this play out a bit more.  But, it might be too little late this season if the Jets don't improve in a hurry.  

    Looking ahead, next year, the Jets need help at CB, WR and need to add another safety because Landry is getting up there.  On the offensive line, same thing, some of the players are aging so you have to start to add players there at LT and C for the future.  At QB time will tell.  The Jets need to add depth at LB too because Harris is starting to age.  All of that is fixable next season given our cap room and the number of picks we have.  That is unless we have to start over at QB.  If that is the case, then we are rebuilding again and need to wait at least 2 more seasons to see how that plays out unless we strike gold with a Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck (which is unlikely).  This season the Jets are a team that needs to improve significantly at QB, CB and WR to be competitive and turn the season around.  Based on what we have seen thus far, the glaring weaknesses on the team, combined with mixed results in the draft (Geno, Winters, Milliner and the missing in action picks this season) has led to a 1-3 record.  







    great post.  a very spot on analysis, imo


    Agree... I am pissed and beating up on Geno so I'll back off let this play out and as always hope for the best.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by NYJETSDAN16 on Wed 1 Oct 2014 - 19:38

    LIJETFAN wrote:The bottom line is this - until the Jets start winning divisions, making the playoffs and ultimately winning a championship the front office, coaching staff and QB are going to be open for criticism.  All of that stops when the Jets win.  Until that time, everyone is fair game, Idzik, Rex, Geno, the WRs, the WRs coach, the CBs and on down the line.  

    The weaknesses on this team are glaringly obvious, WR, CB and the QB needs to improve.  The QB/WR dynamic is a chicken-egg conundrum.  Would Geno improve faster in his second year with a better supporting cast?  The CB question is a little easier, the players are probably playing to the best of their ability.  But neither was intended to be a starter at that position.  And Milliner, our quote #1 CB has been underwhelming or worse for the majority of the games he's played.  

    So if the question is personnel, then you have to look at who is charge of the personnel on the team.  Is it Rex?  Not anymore.  The last two drafts were owned by Idzik.  So, it is Idzik and Bradway leading the charge.  Then you look at the track record of those drafts- Richardson, great player, excellent pick.  Winters, jury is still out.  He has been a disappointment so far and has made some game changing mistakes (the missed block in GB that led to the INT).  Milliner, jury is still out, but again a disappointment thus far.  Bohanan, nice player, good late round pick.  Antonio Allen, good late round pick. Geno Smith, jury is still out.  Overall, a mixed draft so far, with some boom or bust picks.   This draft - 12 picks, 12.  Pryor - so far underwhelming but is very early in the season. He certainly by all accounts has the potential to be a very good player.  Amaro, looks good when he gets his opportunities.  After that - Dozier made the team.  Reilly plays special teams.  Everyone else is either injured, on the Practice Squad or cut altogether.  Not a good track record there considering we had twelve picks.  

    Then you go to Free Agency - Decker, good player, nice pickup.  Willie Colon, decent player, good leader, injury and penalty prone.  Overall a solid pick up but not a long term solution.  Chris Ivory, excellent pickup.  Chris Johnson, solid pickup too.  Giacomini - decent player, good pickup.  Vick, good signing as a backup.  Anyone else?  Then the bad, Dimitri Patterson, supposed to start at CB, off the team.  Mike Goodson, no explanation needed.  

    So being fair to Idzik, his track record on personnel is mixed.  He has made some good to excellent moves and then some very bad moves.  His draft record is also mixed.  Last year's draft right now does not look good given that we had 12 picks.  But, he is two years into his program of building the roster so he needs more time. The biggest criticism I have is that he failed to address the most two most glaring holes on the roster in a year when the scheduled demanded that those needs get addressed to be competitive.  If Milliner comes back and turns it around and plays like a #1 CB, then part of the problem is solved.  If the offense figures out a way to protect the ball, the WRs can get open, again problem solved.  So we need to let this play out a bit more.  But, it might be too little late this season if the Jets don't improve in a hurry.  

    Looking ahead, next year, the Jets need help at CB, WR and need to add another safety because Landry is getting up there.  On the offensive line, same thing, some of the players are aging so you have to start to add players there at LT and C for the future.  At QB time will tell.  The Jets need to add depth at LB too because Harris is starting to age.  All of that is fixable next season given our cap room and the number of picks we have.  That is unless we have to start over at QB.  If that is the case, then we are rebuilding again and need to wait at least 2 more seasons to see how that plays out unless we strike gold with a Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck (which is unlikely).  This season the Jets are a team that needs to improve significantly at QB, CB and WR to be competitive and turn the season around.  Based on what we have seen thus far, the glaring weaknesses on the team, combined with mixed results in the draft (Geno, Winters, Milliner and the missing in action picks this season) has led to a 1-3 record.  







    The best post so far. Excellent.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 2 Oct 2014 - 9:26

    John Idzik’s draft class off to dreadful start
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    So far, it does not look good.
    Now, four games is not enough to evaluate a draft class. But consider four of those 12 picks are no longer on the roster after the team cut Jalen Saunders on Monday. Two of those picks are on injured reserve. One of those picks was not good enough to make the active roster and is stashed on the practice squad (where Saunders may also end up).
    That leaves you with five of the 12 draft picks actually playing this season. Of those five, only safety Calvin Pryor is starting, and he has had little impact so far. Tight end Jace Amaro is playing about 30 percent of the offensive snaps. Linebacker Trevor Reilly is a special-teams contributor who gets a few defensive snaps a game. Lineman Dakota Dozier and linebacker IK Enemkpali have been inactive for every game.
    So even the most generous grader would say Idzik is 3-for-12 on this draft right now. There is plenty of time for some of these picks to develop, but what was the point of having 12 picks if you were only going to land one or two impact players?
    Idzik’s wide-receiver picks look particularly awful. Saunders did nothing in training camp and, after fumbling a punt against the Bears, was shown the door. Shaq Evans injured his shoulder in camp and was lost for the year. Quincy Enunwa is on the practice squad.
    If this draft was supposed to form a foundation for Idzik, it already looks like it’s crumbling.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by football51 on Thu 2 Oct 2014 - 17:30

    It's ironic that when a draft class gets off to a good start, the media tries to pump the breaks and tell everyone not to put anyone in Canton yet because it takes three years to evaluate a draft properly. However, when a draft class gets off to a poor start (after just 4 games), the media breaks out all the negative hyperbole. Typical garbage "journalism".
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by football51 on Thu 2 Oct 2014 - 17:32

    Makes too much sense........




    Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73  ·  5h 5 hours ago
    On spending, Woody mentions being able to roll over the $$ to future, and not spending on players not worth it. #Jets






    Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN · 5h 5 hours ago
    Woody Johnson: :We’re trying to build through the draft. We’ll do an occasional free agent, but the free agent market is not a panacea" #nyj


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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by football51 on Thu 2 Oct 2014 - 17:44

    Teams with a lack of talent tend to get blown out a lot (like we did last year).



    Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer · 4h 4 hours ago
    A lot of hand-wringing in #JetsTwitter today. This team is 1-3 but has lost every game by eight points or less. What am I missing?


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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by football51 on Thu 2 Oct 2014 - 17:54

    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 5h 5 hours ago
    Funny how quickly people forget what a dumpster fire the #Jets roster was heading into 2013 and that people think it takes 20 games to fix



    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 5h 5 hours ago
    .And if you think the #Jets still aren't feel the impact of Tanny contracts look at how overpaid Harris, Mangold, Ferguson are league wide
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    Post by Superman55 on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 8:26

    football51 wrote:Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets  ·  5h 5 hours ago
    Funny how quickly people forget what a dumpster fire the #Jets roster was heading into 2013 and that people think it takes 20 games to fix



    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets  ·  5h 5 hours ago
    .And if you think the #Jets still aren't feel the impact of Tanny contracts look at how overpaid Harris, Mangold, Ferguson are league wide

    Well, if anyone deserved to be overpaid, its the guys suffering through the Transition years between Mike T and Idzik. I have no problem with Mangold and Brick being over paid and I hope they both end up in the ring of honor and I hope Mangold makes the HOf. Love those guys. True Jets, IMO.
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    Post by football51 on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 14:54

    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/44042/woody-johnsons-frugal-approach-can-work-but-only-if-gm-delivers … - Few problems here with this shredding of Idzik/Woody




    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    1) Basically saying #Jets should spend like crazy because tickets are expensive in NY. Faulty logic behind building a team (See Knicks, NY)





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    2) Takes cheap shots at previous big contracts #Jets have handed out, while basically saying they should start doing that again




    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    3) Writes off Decker signing, blaming Idzik for his hamstring issue when he hadn't missed a game in 3 years pre-signing...



    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    ...And ignores that he's still been productive this season and provided a big boost to the offense





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    4) Assumes the entire 2013/2014 draft class is done and won't be productive




    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    5) Sources unnamed agents (who are annoyed NYJ isn't handing out big contracts) about Woody's financial situation




    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    There are plenty of valid criticisms of Idzik and you'll here all of them while the team is on a losing streak but you won't hear any...



    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 4h 4 hours ago
    ...Mentions of how well he handled Revis trade, that Amaro is playing well, that a 2014 7th rounder is earning PT in #Jets front 7 etc...





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 3h 3 hours ago
    shhhh RT @DrewfromJersey: @TurnOnTheJets Ivory trade but .......





    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 3h 3 hours ago
    Cause #Narrative RT @bauekm86: @TurnOnTheJets why does everyone want to write off the draft as a bunch of busts 4 games into their career?




    Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 3h 3 hours ago
    Dee Milliner - Wins DRookie of the month in December 2013. October 2014. #BUST.
















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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by SackExchange on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 15:33

    The part I don't get about this criticism is that the same guys who bashed the Jets for spending on foolish contracts, are now bashing the Jets for not spending on foolish contracts.
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    Post by football51 on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 15:47

    SackExchange wrote:The part I don't get about this criticism is that the same guys who bashed the Jets for spending on foolish contracts, are now bashing the Jets for not spending on foolish contracts.





    Yup, when we spent heavily in free agency under Tannenbaum, the writers said that Woody was throwing money around like a "drunken sailor" and that good teams built through the draft. We were told that the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, and Giants(this year, the Giants spent a ton, so, the narrative locally must change) would never give out deals to players whose best days were had with another franchise. We were mocked for using free agency to stock our team and ripped for not having enough draft picks to add depth to the roster.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by NYJETSDAN16 on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 18:05

    Superman55 wrote:
    NYJETSDAN16 wrote:


    What a loser, no wonder you like Geno, You can't handle pressure.  That's how you handle a rebuttle? Your a joke 55.  Keep posting articles on how your daddy Geno is "progressing" and how he feels like "He'll be an elite QB" one day.
    Hell, the more i think about it. i think he guiding his "F" bomb towards you in order to get off his Anaconda you seem to be latching on to.

    Well, Dan, I think you've made your point, you don't like Geno.  I think every single thread on this page has a post from you saying you don't like geno.  That's fine.  I think you fall in line with 90% of the jets fanbase.  I also think that's fine.

    As the Qb, of course his mistakes are amplified, he wasn't very accurate last game, and when he was, it didn't matter much.  

    You know, like Geno, I still like Eric Decker.  He dropped 3 balls last game, including a huge sideline route on the last drive that would have been a 30 yard reception.  I don't see a bunch of "Decker is a bum posts," because he's a WR, they drop balls.  Read Namath's quotes today, he was actualy spot on for a change.

    The blame, no matter how much you try, isn't solely on Geno.  It just isn't.

    * we have 12 pick not producing at all
    * we have $21.5 mill less talent on our roster than every team we play against
    * we have a secondary without a single pick or game changing play, only us and 1 other team have that issue
    * we have a young QB that needs to improve his accuracy and consistency...while he is still completing over 60% of his passes, the highest comp % we've had in 6 seasons
    * We dont have reliable pass catchers, a homerun threat on offense, or guys who can get open outside of Decker...
    * our oline has been shaky pass protecting at best
    * we have too many penalties to overcome with this level of talent on our roster

    It's not excuses, its multiple facets of our team failing and leading to losses.  As Namath said yesterday, sure woudl help if Geno was more accurate, which would happen if he had more time to throw, and when he does throw...it would be nice if his $8 mill per year WR caught the ball too, and it would help if they had more than 1 WR that is a reliable target even when he's off his game...and we have $21.5 million in the bank on money with an expiration date that vanishes when not spent.

    Believe it or not, there is plenty of blame to go around...

    So let me get this straight. You want to place the blame else where rather than the your Idol Geno Smith?
    Last year many including myself stated that the talent around Geno was horrendous and we as fans could not assess him fairly.
    Idzik, the one you continue to chastize as some how the way you portray him being cheap and not spending, has surrounded Geno with ample talent.
    Decker
    Amaro
    CJ2K
    A healthy Chris Ivory
    A healthy Jeff Cumberland (re-signed)
    Then you have supporting Wide outs that do contribute when Geno has one of those "Accurate" moments.  See Greg Salas what he can do when the ball gets to him?

    Idzik stated that he will build this team through the draft and will be dilligent in signing free agents.  Yet when we had Mike (Spending spree) Tannenbaum, People such as your self bitched how we had no cap room as we kept sigining free agent after free agent.

    Plus, your judging this draft class after 4 games? That seems a little hypocritical since you want to give Geno the rest of the year (two full ones for that matter) to properly judge him.

    Yea, totally Rex's , idziks, the defense, Obama's, ISIS's, the Ebola' viruses fault for Geno to continue to average 2-3 turn overs per game.
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    Re: Jets organization frustrated with 2014 offseason

    Post by Superman55 on Fri 3 Oct 2014 - 20:15

    NYJETSDAN16 wrote:
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    What a loser, no wonder you like Geno, You can't handle pressure.  That's how you handle a rebuttle? Your a joke 55.  Keep posting articles on how your daddy Geno is "progressing" and how he feels like "He'll be an elite QB" one day.
    Hell, the more i think about it. i think he guiding his "F" bomb towards you in order to get off his Anaconda you seem to be latching on to.

    Well, Dan, I think you've made your point, you don't like Geno.  I think every single thread on this page has a post from you saying you don't like geno.  That's fine.  I think you fall in line with 90% of the jets fanbase.  I also think that's fine.

    As the Qb, of course his mistakes are amplified, he wasn't very accurate last game, and when he was, it didn't matter much.  

    You know, like Geno, I still like Eric Decker.  He dropped 3 balls last game, including a huge sideline route on the last drive that would have been a 30 yard reception.  I don't see a bunch of "Decker is a bum posts," because he's a WR, they drop balls.  Read Namath's quotes today, he was actualy spot on for a change.

    The blame, no matter how much you try, isn't solely on Geno.  It just isn't.

    * we have 12 pick not producing at all
    * we have $21.5 mill less talent on our roster than every team we play against
    * we have a secondary without a single pick or game changing play, only us and 1 other team have that issue
    * we have a young QB that needs to improve his accuracy and consistency...while he is still completing over 60% of his passes, the highest comp % we've had in 6 seasons
    * We dont have reliable pass catchers, a homerun threat on offense, or guys who can get open outside of Decker...
    * our oline has been shaky pass protecting at best
    * we have too many penalties to overcome with this level of talent on our roster

    It's not excuses, its multiple facets of our team failing and leading to losses.  As Namath said yesterday, sure woudl help if Geno was more accurate, which would happen if he had more time to throw, and when he does throw...it would be nice if his $8 mill per year WR caught the ball too, and it would help if they had more than 1 WR that is a reliable target even when he's off his game...and we have $21.5 million in the bank on money with an expiration date that vanishes when not spent.

    Believe it or not, there is plenty of blame to go around...

    So let me get this straight. You want to place the blame else where rather than the your Idol Geno Smith?
    Last year many including myself stated that the talent around Geno was horrendous and we as fans could not assess him fairly.
    Idzik, the one you continue to chastize as some how the way you portray him being cheap and not spending, has surrounded Geno with ample talent.
    Decker
    Amaro
    CJ2K
    A healthy Chris Ivory
    A healthy Jeff Cumberland (re-signed)
    Then you have supporting Wide outs that do contribute when Geno has one of those "Accurate" moments.  See Greg Salas what he can do when the ball gets to him?

    Idzik stated that he will build this team through the draft and will be dilligent in signing free agents.  Yet when we had Mike (Spending spree) Tannenbaum, People such as your self bitched how we had no cap room as we kept sigining free agent after free agent.

    Plus, your judging this draft class after 4 games? That seems a little hypocritical since you want to give Geno the rest of the year (two full ones for that matter) to properly judge him.

    Yea, totally Rex's , idziks, the defense, Obama's, ISIS's, the Ebola' viruses fault for Geno to continue to average 2-3 turn overs per game.
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    I'm sorry, Dan.  You're right.  The only thing wrong with the 1-3 Jets is Geno Smith.  You figured it out.  You should work for ESPN you're so smart...

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