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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by cysporsche on Mon 22 Dec 2014 - 18:38

    Superman55 wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:What if the Buc's & Titans snag Mariota & Winston, then the Raiders pick Amari Cooper ? Then what ?

    We know we need a QB, CB, OLB, OL, FS going into next year.

    The two top CB's are Senquez Golson from Miss. St. or Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. Are either one a top 5 pick ?

    The best pass rushing OLB is Hau'oli Kikaha from Washington with 18 sacks this year. I have always liked Vic Beasley DE from Clemson; however, I'm still gun shy of converting a DE to OLB after the Vernon Gholston fiasco.

    The OL has Brandon Scherff T from Iowa; however, I can't see a top 5 pick going to a potential RT ?

    Bottom line, unless a miracle happens, the Jets are already screwed in the 15 Draft.

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    Trade for Mettenberger Qb from the Titans and add Scherff.  Build a wall in front of Mettenberger.

    in 2 years, maybe 3, Scherff's pass blocking will improve enough to transition over for Brick.

    Why would the Titans trade Mettenberger ? He was a high round pick so he does not cost much to have on the roster cap wise, he has a top 5 biggest arm in the NFL, the kid is huge, and he's a pocket passer. Unless someone threw a stupid pick @ the Titans, they'd be cool with him grooming Mariota or Winston.

    Go Jets...Cyborg
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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by Superman55 on Mon 22 Dec 2014 - 20:00

    cysporsche wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:What if the Buc's & Titans snag Mariota & Winston, then the Raiders pick Amari Cooper ? Then what ?

    We know we need a QB, CB, OLB, OL, FS going into next year.

    The two top CB's are Senquez Golson from Miss. St. or Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. Are either one a top 5 pick ?

    The best pass rushing OLB is Hau'oli Kikaha from Washington with 18 sacks this year. I have always liked Vic Beasley DE from Clemson; however, I'm still gun shy of converting a DE to OLB after the Vernon Gholston fiasco.

    The OL has Brandon Scherff T from Iowa; however, I can't see a top 5 pick going to a potential RT ?

    Bottom line, unless a miracle happens, the Jets are already screwed in the 15 Draft.

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    Trade for Mettenberger Qb from the Titans and add Scherff.  Build a wall in front of Mettenberger.

    in 2 years, maybe 3, Scherff's pass blocking will improve enough to transition over for Brick.

    Why would the Titans trade Mettenberger ? He was a high round pick so he does not cost much to have on the roster cap wise, he has a top 5 biggest arm in the NFL, the kid is huge, and he's a pocket passer. Unless someone threw a stupid pick @ the Titans, they'd be cool with him grooming Mariota or Winston.

    Go Jets...Cyborg


    I didn't realize your thought process was the Titans would use Mettenberger and his 4-5 career starts to mentor Winston or Mariota. I'm sure that's the Titans plans.

    Maybe they keep two QBs like the Skins did with Cousins and RG3...but I feel if you take a QB #1-2, a more realistic scenario is the organization does everything in their power to get him ready to take over, not sit them behind Mettenberger for 2-3 years (even if both those QB are 2 years away from being ready, which they both likely are).
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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by GratefulJet on Mon 22 Dec 2014 - 22:12

    I think the Titans could surprise people and go with a non-QB. Mettenberger performed well enough to make them think, especially given the questions around Mariota (will his spread offense success translate to the NFL) and Winston (maturity), that there is a high enough floor with Mettenberger to explore his ceiling before spending another high pick on a QB. If he sucks in 2015, they'll be back in the top of the next draft and can take a QB then, probably from a better pool of candidates. It's not like they'll be picking between Payton Manning and Andrew Luck in April--Winston and Mariota both present significant uncertainties. Gregory, Williams, Cooper, even Scherff all provide a higher degree of certainty about what they will provide.
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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by football51 on Wed 24 Dec 2014 - 13:25

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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by Superman55 on Wed 24 Dec 2014 - 13:36

    GratefulJet wrote:I think the Titans could surprise people and go with a non-QB.  Mettenberger performed well enough to make them think, especially given the questions around Mariota (will his spread offense success translate to the NFL) and Winston (maturity), that there is a high enough floor with Mettenberger to explore his ceiling before spending another high pick on a QB. If he sucks in 2015, they'll be back in the top of the next draft and can take a QB then, probably from a better pool of candidates. It's not like they'll be picking between Payton Manning and Andrew Luck in April--Winston and Mariota both present significant uncertainties. Gregory, Williams, Cooper, even Scherff all provide a higher degree of certainty about what they will provide.

    I agree. Couple good points:

    if you went BPA in terms of football talent, Winston and Mariota would be between 20-50, not top 10...nut because they are QBs, they will go high. Titans, not "needing" a QB, may see that they can trade back to 3-4 and still get one of the best 1-2 players in the entire draft.

    I think if Jets want Mariota, they're target is the Titans, who can slide back 2-3 picks and still get the player they target and view as the best player in the draft.

    I think what you say is a very strong possibility. I love what I have seen from Mettenberger so far.
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    Re: 2014 Rookie Class Thread

    Post by Superman55 on Thu 25 Dec 2014 - 16:38

    After a rough week of practice, Cards take 1st team snaps off Logan Thomas' plate and going with Ryan Lindell this week.

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