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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 16:52

    football51 wrote:You know it's bad when Peter King is questioning things.



    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  39m 39 minutes ago
    Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?



    If you check out his timeline looks like Pats fans are being their homer selves and being obnoxious. King tweeted this


    Peter King @SI_PeterKing · 11m 11 minutes ago
    To: The 6 New England states.
    From: The media.
    Re: Footballs.
    The NFL has an investigation going. We are covering it.
    Have a good day.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 17:06

    I am sure the NFL must hate how many segments cable news networks are devoting to Deflate-Gate. Its expected ESPN be on top of it but when CNN and Fox News is right there also that's bad.

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 17:39

    NickSINYC wrote:I am sure the NFL must hate how many segments cable news networks are devoting to Deflate-Gate. Its expected ESPN be on top of it but when CNN and Fox News is right there also that's bad.

    Well, with the SB coming up, and paparazzi favorite Tom Brady making headlines about deflating footballs, I would call that newsworthy. For ESPN, Fox, CNN or anyone else.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 17:56

    Blindsidebrick wrote:
    NickSINYC wrote:I am sure the NFL must hate how many segments cable news networks are devoting to Deflate-Gate. Its expected ESPN be on top of it but when CNN and Fox News is right there also that's bad.

    Well, with the SB coming up, and paparazzi favorite Tom Brady making headlines about deflating footballs, I would call that newsworthy. For ESPN, Fox, CNN or anyone else.

    I agree its newsworthy and and expect them to cover it. My point was to the extent of the coverage.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 17:59

    NickSINYC wrote:
    football51 wrote:You know it's bad when Peter King is questioning things.



    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  39m 39 minutes ago
    Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?



    If you check out his timeline looks like Pats fans are being their homer selves and being obnoxious. King tweeted this


    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  11m 11 minutes ago
    To: The 6 New England states.
    From: The media.
    Re: Footballs.
      The NFL has an investigation going. We are covering it.
      Have a good day.
    Being surrounded by them, Patriots fans are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 18:00

    NickSINYC wrote:
    football51 wrote:You know it's bad when Peter King is questioning things.



    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  39m 39 minutes ago
    Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?



    If you check out his timeline looks like Pats fans are being their homer selves and being obnoxious. King tweeted this


    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  11m 11 minutes ago
    To: The 6 New England states.
    From: The media.
    Re: Footballs.
      The NFL has an investigation going. We are covering it.
      Have a good day.
    It's bad enough when Pats fans do it. Their local media are the exact same way. It's a disgrace to journalism.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 18:01

    football51 wrote:You know it's bad when Peter King is questioning things.



    Peter King @SI_PeterKing  ·  39m 39 minutes ago
    Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?

    Or the second half footballs?

    Evidently, science exists only on one sideline for one half per game.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by HYATT™ on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 21:21

    cysporsche wrote:Hyatt, You sound like a spoiled kid picking up his football and leaving because his feelings were hurt ! Yes that was a tough collapse by the Pack to watch, but when your Coach McCarthy put your offense into a prevent offense, by taking the ball out of Aaron Rodgers hands, you lost it before the fake field goal. The Hawks gave you numerous opportunities  to put them away, and you did not take advantage. Packers blew it, officials had nothing to do with your loss. You guy's got lucky on the Dez Bryant catch, so technically the Cowboys got screwed, not the Packers !

    My quick response to your other conspiracy theory of the Ref's and the league being crooked or fixed, I'm not buying it Dude. This job is not their primary jobs, with many Refs being Doctor's & Lawyer's (not that their honest!), so I don't think they're looking for extra coin.

    I do believe in favoritism, let's see what the Commish hands down to Belicheat, Brady & the Pats. Troy Aikman said today that Patriot punishment should be the same as what the Saints got ?
    Money is no object to any of them, but strip them of their #1 pick for the next 3 years where it will hurt most.

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    Yer missing the timeline, big time here, cy.
    I was already done BEFORE the Packers screwed up in Seattle.
    There's always a last straw, mine came in the DAL @ GB game, but there's a whole load of straw already sitting on the camel's back long before that last straw gets thrown on.

    The whole spoiled kid analogy just doesn't fly here.
    If that were true, I would have waited until GB lost in SEA, not AFTER they won a game.
    But thanks for always thinking the worst of me. I appreciate the fact I can always count on some people to accuse me of motivations other than those I post.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Sat 24 Jan 2015 - 21:34

    HYATT™️ wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:Hyatt, You sound like a spoiled kid picking up his football and leaving because his feelings were hurt ! Yes that was a tough collapse by the Pack to watch, but when your Coach McCarthy put your offense into a prevent offense, by taking the ball out of Aaron Rodgers hands, you lost it before the fake field goal. The Hawks gave you numerous opportunities  to put them away, and you did not take advantage. Packers blew it, officials had nothing to do with your loss. You guy's got lucky on the Dez Bryant catch, so technically the Cowboys got screwed, not the Packers !

    My quick response to your other conspiracy theory of the Ref's and the league being crooked or fixed, I'm not buying it Dude. This job is not their primary jobs, with many Refs being Doctor's & Lawyer's (not that their honest!), so I don't think they're looking for extra coin.

    I do believe in favoritism, let's see what the Commish hands down to Belicheat, Brady & the Pats. Troy Aikman said today that Patriot punishment should be the same as what the Saints got ?
    Money is no object to any of them, but strip them of their #1 pick for the next 3 years where it will hurt most.

    Go Jets...Cyborg
    Yer missing the timeline, big time here, cy.
    I was already done BEFORE the Packers screwed up in Seattle.
    There's always a last straw, mine came in the DAL @ GB game, but there's a whole load of straw already sitting on the camel's back long before that last straw gets thrown on.

    The whole spoiled kid analogy just doesn't fly here.
    If that were true, I would have waited until GB lost in SEA, not AFTER they won a game.
    But thanks for always thinking the worst of me. I appreciate the fact I can always count on some people to accuse me of motivations other than those I post.

    What are your feelings on backhand compliments?

    I was great impressed on how well you were able to rebut Cy with only 2 short paragraphs to his 3.

    lol! I love you
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Sun 25 Jan 2015 - 0:13

    I have a serious problem with today.

    Someone like John Idzik comes out and says nothing, taking 20 minutes to do it, and it's bizarre.

    Bill Belichick comes out and says nothing, taking 20 minutes to do it, and he's a hero.

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by Old#15 on Sun 25 Jan 2015 - 8:01

    SackExchange wrote:I have a serious problem with today.

    Someone like John Idzik comes out and says nothing, taking 20 minutes to do it, and it's bizarre.

    Bill Belichick comes out and says nothing, taking 20 minutes to do it, and he's a hero.

    I agree, and he also didn't explain some very big questions like: why didn't all those things you talked about similarly affect the Colts balls?, or isn't it possible that the balls were doctored (heated, etc.) in such a way that when they were delivered to refs initially the were at the proper psi, but after an hour or so retreated to the lower psi? What it looked like to me was that Goodell and the rest of Krafft's cronies in the NFL office made sure that BB got out in front of this thing, and give them some ammo for doing nothing until after the SB.

    I kinda expected all of that, but what I didn't expect was a glimpse behind the curtain of the self conscious, paranoid little man. I can't quote him verbatim, but the part of his rant where he basically said you all are jealous of how great we are because we work harder, play smarter, are better prepared and are just better than everyone else in the league.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Sun 25 Jan 2015 - 15:09

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by HYATT™ on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 15:58

    NickSINYC wrote:
    What are your feelings on backhand compliments?

    I was great impressed on how well you were able to rebut Cy with only 2 short paragraphs to his 3.

    lol!   I love you
    I dunnoe, I guess a compliment is always appreciated, even if I don't live for them.
    I VALUE cy's friendship on the interwebs. We don't always see eye2eye but his discussions are generally honest and fair - except when it comes to suspecting my motives for certain things.

    I get how people can believe HYATT™️ has ulterior motives and uses his skills with words to cushion or hide them - but honestly, I feel people should just take HYATT™️ posts at face value and stop trying to assign nefarious skullduggery to them.
    I can't even remember the last time I said to myself; "Don't let people know you have a dog in this hunt, use skillful navigation to conceal that bias."

    HYATT™️ simply does not operate on that level.
    What you see is what you get with me, it's ALWAYS what I'm thinking here, and 99.99999% of the time I've triple or quadruple checked my post to look for bias in it at any level.
    I also can't even count the number of times I've cancelled a post completely because I couldn't find a way to clear my biases from it.
    They aren't a large number, but occasionally I have to back off a subject because I can't see my way to an unbiased PoV on it.

    It is possible to have opinions and biases and STILL make a fair and balanced post, but one has to be very thorough about self-censorship of those biases & ALWAYS question one's own motives for making any post.
    There are VERY few people who bother, but the HYATT™️ brand was built upon exactly that process.

    cy's cynacism is born from what every normal poster does, which is to express ideas through the lens of their own partisan views.
    Because others have biases and aren't afraid to post with them, they ASSUME HYATT™️ does the same.
    THAT, is a BAD assumption, & in this case the very fact I had had enough BEFORE the Packers went down to defeat should be "PROOF #1" of that FACT.
    I got to the breaking point over a situation that would have adversely affected my favorite team's advancement in the playoffs.
    I can't think of anything MORE proof-positive of HYATT™️ integrity than that - taking a position AGAINST personal interest in the pursuit of fairness.

    PS: I suppose this soliloquy "Aw SHIGHT!" negates that latest "Attaboy" you just handed me for brevity, eh? rotflmao
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 16:04

    Well played Hyatt Well played lol!

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by cysporsche on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 16:52

    Hyatt, By no means was I trying to hurt your feelings, because I enjoy reading your post that are very well thought out.

    With that apology said, I'm still not buying into your conspiracy theory of Ref's or League officials on the take. Meaning game officials.

    Now like Richard Sherman pointed out, Roger Goodell having dinner over @ Robert Krafts house last week looks very suspicious.

    And the 2nd thing Hyatt, don't tell me that you were rooting for Seattle, because the Cowboys got screwed the week before, that's a load of crap Dude!

    You, the Mrs. Hyatt (God bless her), and your 12 younguns were sitting there in your green & yellow living room, with all your Packer gear on screaming so loud, that you were scaring your dairy cows outside ! It was one of the biggest melt downs in NFL history. Sad

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by HYATT™ on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 17:33

    cysporsche wrote:Hyatt, By no means was I trying to hurt your feelings, because I enjoy reading your post that are very well thought out.

    With that apology said, I'm still not buying into your conspiracy theory of Ref's or League officials on the take. Meaning game officials.

    Now like Richard Sherman pointed out, Roger Goodell having dinner over @ Robert Krafts house last week looks very suspicious.

    And the 2nd thing Hyatt, don't tell me that you were rooting for Seattle, because the Cowboys got screwed the week before, that's a load of crap Dude!

    You, the Mrs. Hyatt (God bless her), and your 12 younguns were sitting there in your green & yellow living room, with all your Packer gear on screaming so loud, that you were scaring your dairy cows outside ! It was one of the biggest melt downs in NFL history. Sad

    Go Jets...Cyborg
    The game was on, but we paid as little attention to it as we did the AFCCG.
    All 3 of us, Wifey, #1 Son, and myself, are just disgusted to the point we no longer consider the NFL a LEGITIMATE competitive sport.
    We do not believe ALL games are fixed, nor do we believe the players are necessarily in on it - and continue to support THEM, but the officials - at last some of them - ARE corrupt.
    The NFL IS scripting games and the outcome of the season, to a large extent, to fit their profit narratives.

    You ask; how can the league get away with this?
    Surely somebody would rat them out.
    Ask yourself why very few people know about the criminal pasts of the Mara and Rooney families, or that Eddie DeBartelo was forced out of the league because he bribed a sitting Louisiana governor to get a riverboat gambling license?
    It's called "willful ignorance".
    It takes a special kind of self-delusion to deny publicly available and PUBLISHED FACTS.
    There is no bigger class of self-delusional people than jersey worshiping homers.

    You are free to hold any OPINION you want, but you just do NOT get to choose which FACTS are true.

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by hobson54 on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 18:32

    HYATT - i still don't understand how the if the league was "scripting" results, that it would have the cowboys lose to the packers. one would think if the fix was in, that they'd want the team that brings the most eyeballs to the screen (the cowboys) to prevail over the small market packers.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by HYATT™ on Mon 26 Jan 2015 - 19:15

    hobson54 wrote:HYATT - i still don't understand how the if the league was "scripting" results, that it would have the cowboys lose to the packers.  one would think if the fix was in, that they'd want the team that brings the most eyeballs to the screen (the cowboys) to prevail over the small market packers.
    It's clear you have no idea just how big PackerNation is.
    It's been estimated by sources far more capable than myself that if you combined the entire fan bases of all 31 other teams, the Packers would STILL have as many as 2X as many fans world-wide.
    Personally, HYATT™ believes that to be an UNDERestimate, but freely admits bias in that belief.

    Would ANY other fan base spend ridiculous amounts of money to wear a cheesehead?

    Read THIS, perhaps you'll learn something to upset your beliefs in Dallas being more popular than Green Bay.

    Point #2
    "The Fail Mary"
    Need I replay that one as a cause to highlight a re-match between the SeaPigeons and the G&G?

    SEA has a former Packers scout and player personnel director as it's GM, a former QB coach, (Debbil Bevel) as it's OC, it had a former Packers HC as it's GM and HC take them to a Super Bowl in 2005 with a former Packers backup QB (Hasselbeck), there is Snow Bowl II, where GB spotted SEA 14 points then proceeded to DESTROY them (20-42) in the first round of the playoffs in the Cinderella 2007 season, in near whiteout conditions that famously ended up as the cover of SI.



    In short, these 2 clubs have a long and storied history between them that makes for a compelling NFCC matchup.

    What is there in the SEA v DAL history to draw fans at all?
    Nada.
    DAL already went into their house and whupped SEA's arse in October. I shouldn't think the results would have been any different this time around - and THAT didn't sit well with the season-long narrative of "the first team to have a legitimate shot at a repeat since the Patriots in 2003-2004".

    NE v SEA was the design.
    I'd put money on the idea that Evil-EL and the other Owners are REALLY upset with Indy about now, for re-wakening the whole "deflate-gate" snooze-fest from the November 16th game.
    (Oh yeah, this was the SECOND complaint to the league offices this year, about deflated footballs used by the NEP, by Indy. They completely ignored the first one. If you want a smoking gun about any cover ups - that's a pretty good box of ammunition.)

    Point #3
    A DAL v SEA NFCCG brings in regional fans from the west coast and the southwest, but leaves the entire midwest, southeast, and east coast hanging for a team to root for.
    Packers fans have been particularly strong in attendance at JAX, Trampa, & MIA games due to a large contingent of older Wisconsin snowbirds and retirees in Florida. NFCN fans provide a draw from CHI (3rd largest US city), Minneapolis-St. Paul (14th), DET (18th), & Milwaukee (31st). Additionally many Canadian fans of the NFL support one of the 4 NFCN teams, making them the default biggest draw for a vast swath of our neighbors to the north.
    True, Houston (4th), San Antonio (7th), Dallas (9th), Austin (11th), Fort Worth (17th), & El Paso (19th), present a pretty impressive collection of largest cities in the country - 6 in the Top 20 - but it's pretty much a case of middle-size cities compared to the massive metro districts surrounding places like CHI (10M)and the Twin Cities (10M).
    Look around Texas' major cities and all you can market to is prairie dogs, coyotes, & cactus.

    One additional fact.
    The University of Wisconsin-Madison has more CEOs & BoD members of fortune 500 companies than any other university.
    Many have additional degrees from places like Harvard or other Ivy League colleges but they matriculated at Wisconsin and generally export Packers fandom with them when they leave.
    That has a way of infiltrating the corporations they work for and filters down to many of the communities where they employ workers as their 2nd or 3rd favorite NFL team.
    People buy merchandise for their "other" team as well as the primary one they are a fan of.

    Dallas, on the other hand, trends to generate a lot of animosity in other teams' fans, who aren't inclined to like them 2nd or 3rd after their primary team.
    Nobody, except CHI fans, & a couple wayward MIN fans, actually HATES the Packers.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by GratefulJet on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 9:57

    Ian O'Connor with a blistering review of the Kraft press conference and how it sets up the investigation.
    He correctly points out that Kraft had really better be 100% right or his reputation is in tatters.

    As much as I personally hate the Patriots, I kind of hope they didn't do this thing (heresy for a Jets fan, I know). The league will struggle as it is to restore credibility as a level playing field (there's a lot of people seeing it the way Hyatt™️ does), and every win the Patriots have had for > 10 years will be called into question. At this point, one almost has to wonder if a finding that exonerates the Patriots will even be widely believed. In some ways, the real damage has already been done and whether they broke the rules or not is just a minor detail for the final report. Their reputation now precedes them, and that's not going to change as long as Belichick is the HC of the NEP.

    I guess I can't help a smile and a chuckle.  Smile

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    Post by Old#15 on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 11:01

    GratefulJet wrote:Ian O'Connor with a blistering review of the Kraft press conference and how it sets up the investigation.
    He correctly points out that Kraft had really better be 100% right or his reputation is in tatters.

    As much as I personally hate the Patriots, I kind of hope they didn't do this thing (heresy for a Jets fan, I know). The league will struggle as it is to restore credibility as a level playing field (there's a lot of people seeing it the way Hyatt™️ does), and every win the Patriots have had for > 10 years will be called into question. At this point, one almost has to wonder if a finding that exonerates the Patriots will even be widely believed. In some ways, the real damage has already been done and whether they broke the rules or not is just a minor detail for the final report. Their reputation now precedes them, and that's not going to change as long as Belichick is the HC of the NEP.

    I guess I can't help a smile and a chuckle.  Smile

    Kraft's press conference is a signal that the fix is in, and the fall guy is some locker room attendant who after taking balls from ref's locker room disappeared into another room at Gillette for an undisclosed time before bringing balls unto field. We have our fall guy, who without any direction from Pats (coaches, players or management) alters footballs because he thinks it will help his employer. I say BS. He did it because Tom Brady likes his footballs a certain way, and even though Brady didn't directly communicate with this guy his wishes were well known. Why else would you risk your job in one the most important games or multiple games (see Ravens complaints) unless someone directed you to do it. I think the Patriots have been treading on thin ice with league rules since BB has been HC, and I have no respect for any of their records.

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 11:43

    I listened to Howie Long on the Herd say "do we really want to go down this road"?  Basically he's just making excuses for the Patriots. It's the famous excuse of "everyone else is doing it, too, you just haven't heard about it". He said other teams were spying on opposing teams sidelines, too. And of course, he offered no examples of proof. Because the Patriots are pigeon-holed as a team. Cry me a river.

    I would be lying if I said I wasn't hoping the roof comes falling down on the NE Patriots organization.
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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by SackExchange on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 13:14

    I don't even think it matters if the employee deflated the footballs or not. What matters is that an employee of the Patriots put himself in a position where he COULD doctor the balls. Whether he did or not, he could have. Barring video in the bathroom of him NOT doctoring the footballs, that possibility will always exist.

    The burden of proof has not shifted, but if this video shows the employee taking the footballs into the bathroom, there will always be more than sufficient doubt to cast a huge shadow on the Pats. It will also place the league in a position of having enough cover to pass some sanctions against the Pats and impose more strict rules.

    Most importantly, it leaves the possibility of tampering by the Pats open, and further paints that organization as either blatant cheaters or, at the least, underhanded.

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by cysporsche on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 17:18

    What worries me, even though they cheated and are now blaming a ball boy (a wealthy ball boy), is the Patriots are going to make a stand against the NFL by winning the SB. Anytime they get pushed in the corner, they come out swinging. I hope the Seahawks kick their a$$es, but I'm worried !

    Also not sure where to post this, but I could not figure out why I could not get on the old Scout board that has been taken over by Jets Insider the last couple of days ? Come to find out that they charge over $80 something to belong there ? Were you guy's paying all this time ? They said I had not paid since 2009 ? They also said that I had disputed my last bill back then ? Is our old site a scam or what ? I was wondering where you guy's had gone from over there on the dark side. That site is getting brutal. That makes 20K post I had made or started over there that will go away ! Anyone else experience not getting back on that site ?

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    Re: 2015 NFL Playoff thread

    Post by NickSINYC on Tue 27 Jan 2015 - 17:29

    cysporsche wrote:What worries me, even though they cheated and are now blaming a ball boy (a wealthy ball boy), is the Patriots are going to make a stand against the NFL by winning the SB. Anytime they get pushed in the corner, they come out swinging. I hope the Seahawks kick their a$$es, but I'm worried !

    Also not sure where to post this, but I could not figure out why I could not get on the old Scout board that has been taken over by Jets Insider the last couple of days ? Come to find out that they charge over $80 something to belong there ? Were you guy's paying all this time ? They said I had not paid since 2009 ? They also said that I had disputed my last bill back then ? Is our old site a scam or what ? I was wondering where you guy's had gone from over there on the dark side. That site is getting brutal. That makes 20K post I had made or started over there that will go away ! Anyone else experience not getting back on that site ?

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    Cy I think you are trying to get in their premium forum

    Try here

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