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    1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Sarge on Mon 17 Nov 2014 - 15:57

    If you were the Jets GM, would you trade the team's 1st round pick in 2015 straight up to the Redskins for QB Robert Griffin III?
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by NickSINYC on Mon 17 Nov 2014 - 16:02

    No I wasn't high on him coming out and I am definitely less interested now after his injury history and attitude

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Old#15 on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 9:36

    NickSINYC wrote:No I wasn't high on him coming out and I am definitely less interested now after his injury history and attitude

    +1 - Interesting back and forth in the media between Griffin and coach Gruden after Sunday's game. Griffin basically says its not all on him, that there are 10 other guys on the field and they have to do better as well. Gruden responds by saying that Griffin needs to worry about himself because he is still has basic mechanical flaws and misreads. WOW, don't usually hear that kind of open criticism from a coach about his 'star player'.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 10:54

    Didn't take long for Cam and RG3 to fall from grace. There was a poster on this board who will remain nameless who said he'd take Cam over Brady. Here's an interesting stat:

    4 lowest rated QBs in the NFL as of week 11 -

    Lowest rated QB: Bortles
    2nd lowest rated QB:Bridgewater
    3rd lowest rated QB: Derek Carr
    4th lowest rated QB: Cam Newton

    One of these dont belong...in a contract year seeking a $100 mill deal...but his QBR is that of a rookie QB. Mad No
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Sarge on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 12:11

    Cam got Mike Shulaed so you can't blame him

    I like Mike Shula as a person, but he's not a great offensive coordinator

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by cysporsche on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 12:28

    Superman55 wrote:Didn't take long for Cam and RG3 to fall from grace.  There was a poster on this board who will remain nameless who said he'd take Cam over Brady.  Here's an interesting stat:

    4 lowest rated QBs in the NFL as of week 11 -

    Lowest rated QB: Bortles
    2nd lowest rated QB:Bridgewater
    3rd lowest rated QB: Derek Carr
    4th lowest rated QB: Cam Newton

    One of these dont belong...in a contract year seeking a $100 mill deal...but his QBR is that of a rookie QB.  Mad No


    Kevin, I think that was an indirect shot @ me ? You asked me if I was starting a NEW TEAM TODAY, who would I choose ? That's still a no brainer to me, Brady is pushing late 30's & Cam is 25. Brady is great but old, so yes, I'd still pick Cam.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Old#15 on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 12:57

    cysporsche wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:Didn't take long for Cam and RG3 to fall from grace.  There was a poster on this board who will remain nameless who said he'd take Cam over Brady.  Here's an interesting stat:

    4 lowest rated QBs in the NFL as of week 11 -

    Lowest rated QB: Bortles
    2nd lowest rated QB:Bridgewater
    3rd lowest rated QB: Derek Carr
    4th lowest rated QB: Cam Newton

    One of these dont belong...in a contract year seeking a $100 mill deal...but his QBR is that of a rookie QB.  Mad No


    Kevin, I think that was an indirect shot @ me ? You asked me if I was starting a NEW TEAM TODAY, who would I choose ? That's still a no brainer to me, Brady is pushing late 30's & Cam is 25. Brady is great but old, so yes, I'd still pick Cam.

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    In fairness to Newton he is playing injured, has new receivers to work with this year, and his OL sucks. Guy is in a bad situation.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 13:03

    Old#15 wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:Didn't take long for Cam and RG3 to fall from grace.  There was a poster on this board who will remain nameless who said he'd take Cam over Brady.  Here's an interesting stat:

    4 lowest rated QBs in the NFL as of week 11 -

    Lowest rated QB: Bortles
    2nd lowest rated QB:Bridgewater
    3rd lowest rated QB: Derek Carr
    4th lowest rated QB: Cam Newton

    One of these dont belong...in a contract year seeking a $100 mill deal...but his QBR is that of a rookie QB.  Mad No


    Kevin, I think that was an indirect shot @ me ? You asked me if I was starting a NEW TEAM TODAY, who would I choose ? That's still a no brainer to me, Brady is pushing late 30's & Cam is 25. Brady is great but old, so yes, I'd still pick Cam.

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    In fairness to Newton he is playing injured, has new receivers to work with this year, and his OL sucks.  Guy is in a bad situation.

    Greg Olsen and Kelvin Benjamin aren't exactly bad enough to make you one of the 5 worst QBs in the NFL is it?

    In case you didn't know how bad Cam was playing, Eli has bad awful this year, including throwing 5 picks last weekend...his year has still been better than Cam's....

    Point being, you don't build around that or pay that 100 mill. Do you feel any of the top 10 QBs would be a bottom 5 QB with his weapons?

    To me, Brady is playing with worse weapons (so is Ryan Tannehill)...but they aren't playing like a rookie.

    Cam Newton is playing like a rookie QB learning the NFL still (so is RG3 for that matter)...he looks like Vince Young out there.

    Mark Sanchez may have more weapons, but he shouldn't look like Aaron Rodgers compared to Cam...ever...but he does.

    Also, Brady at 50 will be better than Cam ever will be. Cam doesnt have "it."

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Seaver on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 13:09

    Cam doesn't process well and has bad habits with mechanics - namely his footwork.

    RGIII......sucks. How about Geno for RGIII....that I could live with. Still would need a QB.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Superman55 on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 15:33

    Seaver wrote:Cam doesn't process well and has bad habits with mechanics - namely his footwork.

    RGIII......sucks.  How about Geno for RGIII....that I could live with.  Still would need a QB.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by cysporsche on Tue 18 Nov 2014 - 16:00

    Old#15 wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:Didn't take long for Cam and RG3 to fall from grace.  There was a poster on this board who will remain nameless who said he'd take Cam over Brady.  Here's an interesting stat:

    4 lowest rated QBs in the NFL as of week 11 -

    Lowest rated QB: Bortles
    2nd lowest rated QB:Bridgewater
    3rd lowest rated QB: Derek Carr
    4th lowest rated QB: Cam Newton

    One of these dont belong...in a contract year seeking a $100 mill deal...but his QBR is that of a rookie QB.  Mad No


    Kevin, I think that was an indirect shot @ me ? You asked me if I was starting a NEW TEAM TODAY, who would I choose ? That's still a no brainer to me, Brady is pushing late 30's & Cam is 25. Brady is great but old, so yes, I'd still pick Cam.

    Go Jets...Cyborg

    In fairness to Newton he is playing injured, has new receivers to work with this year, and his OL sucks.  Guy is in a bad situation.


    Kevin / 55 has a real boner for Cam ! I'd take Cam in a heartbeat and I should know I watch him more than any Jet fan being a Carolina boy ! Cam lost his All-Pro LT, his RT, and both guards, he lost all 4 of his starting WR's, (yes Benjamin has been a great rookie, and Olsen is the most underrated TE in the league), Cam has not had 3 All-Pro players in the backfield in Williams RB, Stewart RB & Tank Tolbert FB all season together yet ? Check out Cam's highlights in the Atlanta & Seattle games, the whole Panther team is riding on Cam's back.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 28 Nov 2014 - 7:15

    http://nypost.com/2014/11/27/how-the-jets-should-get-robert-griffin-iii/

    To me this demonstrates how utterly clueless some of the members of the media can be.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by SackExchange on Fri 28 Nov 2014 - 8:41

    Not just a first rounder, but a high first? Not a chance.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by hobson54 on Fri 28 Nov 2014 - 9:36

    Old#15 wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/11/27/how-the-jets-should-get-robert-griffin-iii/

    To me this demonstrates how utterly clueless some of the members of the media can be.  

    not sure i'm following you. while i'm loath to defend the hacks at the post, he is saying unless it was dirt cheap like a 7th, he wouldn't trade for RGIII

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Old#15 on Fri 28 Nov 2014 - 10:24

    hobson54 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/11/27/how-the-jets-should-get-robert-griffin-iii/

    To me this demonstrates how utterly clueless some of the members of the media can be.  

    not sure i'm following you.  while i'm loath to defend the hacks at the post, he is saying unless it was dirt cheap like a 7th, he wouldn't trade for RGIII

    I think adding a guy like Griffin adds another distraction at QB who is really a mess right now, according to head coach and various 'experts' like Chris Cooley. His mechanics are horrible, can't progress past his first read, appears afraid to run (his best asset) because of the injury issues, and is a problem in the locker room. I don't think he is worth the headache at any price. I can see why guys like Cimini, Costello and Mehta would like Griffin on the Jets, as it would give them something juicy to write about.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Fri 28 Nov 2014 - 12:52

    Old#15 wrote:
    hobson54 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:http://nypost.com/2014/11/27/how-the-jets-should-get-robert-griffin-iii/

    To me this demonstrates how utterly clueless some of the members of the media can be.  

    not sure i'm following you.  while i'm loath to defend the hacks at the post, he is saying unless it was dirt cheap like a 7th, he wouldn't trade for RGIII

    I think adding a guy like Griffin adds another distraction at QB who is really a mess right now, according to head coach and various 'experts' like Chris Cooley.  His mechanics are horrible, can't progress past his first read, appears afraid to run (his best asset) because of the injury issues, and is a problem in the locker room.  I don't think he is worth the headache at any price.  I can see why guys like Cimini, Costello and Mehta would like Griffin on the Jets, as it would give them something juicy to write about.

    It's typical that our beat writers would want RGIII. They find everything wrong with what the Jets do, and suggest hairbrained alternatives to fix our problems. Everyone's a genius, and hindsight's 20/20 when you're not actually making big decisions.

    I say NO to RGIII. Too many mechanical issues, a knee that's concerning, and I didn't like his shifting of blame away from himself. A leader always takes the blame, even when it's not his fault.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by cysporsche on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 10:52

    I might consider RG3 for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, but not a 1st rounder.

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    Post by SackExchange on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 10:53

    cysporsche wrote:I might consider RG3 for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, but not a 1st rounder.

    Go Jets...Cyborg
    I wouldn't trade a high second for him.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Old#15 on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 11:01

    cysporsche wrote:I might consider RG3 for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, but not a 1st rounder.

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    Great, another wasted 2nd or 3rd round pick.

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    Post by hobson54 on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 11:45

    a conditional 5th (2016 draft) at best
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by NYJETSDAN16 on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 16:02

    Absolutley not. NO RG3 4 me. If i'am tradining a 1st it's to move up in next years draft to snag Marcus Mariota.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Superman55 on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 20:52

    Old#15 wrote:
    cysporsche wrote:I might consider RG3 for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, but not a 1st rounder.

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    Great, another wasted 2nd or 3rd round pick.

    ...you have to consider what we do with mid rd picks.  Look at McDoungle, Saunders, and George...our 3rd, 4th, and 5th rd picks last year.  Would you rather have these 3 or would you rather have RG3?  All 3 of these guys likely won't be on next years roster.

    Who care if you trade picks when you can't draft for shit anyway?

    Id give up a 3rd for RG on a 1 year deal.

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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by soj on Sun 30 Nov 2014 - 11:25

    In a word... NO. WE have two bad QB we do not need a third, just my opinion.
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    Re: 1st Rd Pick for RGIII?

    Post by Superman55 on Sun 30 Nov 2014 - 11:42

    soj wrote:In a word... NO. WE have two bad QB we do not need a third, just my opinion.

    SOJ - very straight forward and fair point.  Has RG3 done anything this year to make anyone think he'd be better than Geno or Vick?  To your point, the answer is probably no.  Living in DC, I can tell you he hasn't shown more than a handful of flashes after his rookie year...and I respect Gruden and Shananahan as offensive minds.  You make a very fair point.

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    Post by cysporsche on Sun 30 Nov 2014 - 11:56

    I think the best thing for RG3 is a change of location. It's obvious that he & Gruden HC don't get along. I think RG3 is over whelmed with different coaches trying to change his mechanic's too much, and the kid is confused ? His rookie year, they let him play his style of ball, and from what I remember, he had a very good rookie year. And yes, he's better than any QB currently on our roster.

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