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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by SackExchange on Sat 18 Oct 2014 - 21:11

    If anyone doubted the true prejudice that is Jets hate, this trade pretty much proves it.

    The Jets, in desperate need of a long-term solution at WR, a fast big play threat and an elite talent, trade a sixth (that could escalate to a fourth) for exactly that guy, 26 years old and with a ring.

    Immediately, stories come out about how horrible a person he is, stories that were not out there in the hours before the Jets got him. In other words, a coordinated character assassination.

    Jets make a ridiculous, huge one-sided trade, and rather than praise him, the media have to find a reason to mock them.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by SackExchange on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 0:15

    For NYDN to continue to employ Mehta and ESPN to continue to employ Cimini demonstrates that those two outlets WANT guys who are anti-Jets to do the Jets beat. Both have done far more than enough to merit being fired, or at least moved to assignments where they did not have such a personal bias. Yet both are still in their jobs.

    I wonder why.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by HYATT™ on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 5:50

    Some thoughts:

    When a GM is offered a playmaker of this caliber, it's pretty hard to pass on if the money is available.
    Plus is takes one more player position off the table to be filled in the 2015 draft.
    Call it the first UFA signing of 2015 if it helps to understand WHY it happened now.
    The trade deadline is coming up so it either happened now or didn't happen until next year.


    A lot of you certainly missed something about this trade that was only in the fine print.
    There has been a lot of talk about wanting Debbil Bevel as the next OC in NJ.
    Debbil could NOT find meaningful ways to integrate Harvin into his modified WCO in SEA.
    Does that REALLY strike anyone as an OC ready for the big tent in NJ?
    Apparently Harvin doesn't fit into Russell Wilson's QBing style.
    Does that sound like an "Elite" QB?

    Favre had no problem working Harvin like a Stradivarius in MIN, WITH Debbil Bevel as his OC.
    Urban Meyer had no trouble finding ways to make Harvin a key player in Florida using TIM TEBOW as his QB to win the 2008-2009 BCS National Championship.

    Some of you are complaining about the Harvin trade because it didn't happen earlier..
    HELLO?
    Did you not understand 2 points about this trade?
    1.) SEA pondered the idea for several weeks - i.e., they themselves weren't quite ready to pull the trigger and it was only after Harvin's locker room troubles kept on happening they arrived at the "sell by" expiration date and decided to move him. IT WAS NOT happening in the UFA period or Weeks 1-6 AT ALL - EVER.
    2.) It's no accident that the NJ Jets landed this deal - because Idzik WORKED IN SEA before coming to NJ.
    I'll bet you diamonds to your donut holes that it was HC Pete Carroll that called Idzik up and OFFERED him the Harvin deal - not the other way around - for 2 reasons, that a small amount of analysis would reveal;

       a.) Idzik and Carroll have a good rapport, Idzik was the likeliest candidate to deal squarely with, for Carroll
       b.) Idzik, as GM of a team with $21M in available cap room, is 1 of 20 teams that even HAVE enough cap room to afford Harvin's remaining $4.2M in 2014 salary. 5 of those teams aren't the least bit interested in Harvin because he can't "fix" their problems at the moment, 10 more are pretty much set at WR or at least content with who they already have, & 3 more are run-first based teams that aren't going to pay that kind of price for him.

    That leaves 2 teams, SEA & the Jets.
    Obviously the Sea Pigeons aren't in this game as a buyer, since they are the seller.

    This note at the end of this piece, as it was first written, was meant for the JI silly kids. Please disregard it here.

    This is just one small example of why HYATT™ doesn't put much stock in the popular opinions of football forum posters.
    NONE of you caught any of those thoughts from this article & only 1 or 2 of you even know this trade wasn't for a 4th or a 2nd round pick - that it's a CONDITIONAL 6th that COULD turn into as much as a 4th - or that Harvin's remaining salary is no risk whatsoever.
    The Jets can walk away at the end of the season for as little as that 4th round pick and $4.187M, (his 10 remaining 2014 weekly paychecks).
    THAT is called MATH, MEATHEAD MEHTA.

    You don't read well even when it's spelled out for you in small, easy to understand, words, you have absolutely no abstraction skills to develop thoughts other than what's being spoon-fed to you, and you are incapable of independent analysis using multiple variables to arrive at conclusions that aren't always apparent in a simple stat line.

    A play HYATT™ is dying to see run.
    Vick is a lefty QB, he likes to roll left if he can.
    In the shotgun, Vick rolls left, with Harvin trailing him to the inside.
    Vick then pulls up at the sideline and fakes a pass, freezing the LBs and DBs, but pulls the ball back down and shovel-passes it back over to Harvin, who then reverses direction and busts one straight through the now vacated LoS & along a picket line the OL has set up deep into the 2nd level - all the way to the hizzy.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 7:10

    HYATT™ wrote:Some thoughts:

    When a GM is offered a playmaker of this caliber, it's pretty hard to pass on if the money is available.
    Plus is takes one more player position off the table to be filled in the 2015 draft.
    Call it the first UFA signing of 2015 if it helps to understand WHY it happened now.
    The trade deadline is coming up so it either happened now or didn't happen until next year.


    A lot of you certainly missed something about this trade that was only in the fine print.
    There has been a lot of talk about wanting Debbil Bevel as the next OC in NJ.
    Debbil could NOT find meaningful ways to integrate Harvin into his modified WCO in SEA.
    Does that REALLY strike anyone as an OC ready for the big tent in NJ?
    Apparently Harvin doesn't fit into Russell Wilson's QBing style.
    Does that sound like an "Elite" QB?

    Favre had no problem working Harvin like a Stradivarius in MIN, WITH Debbil Bevel as his OC.
    Urban Meyer had no trouble finding ways to make Harvin a key player in Florida using TIM TEBOW as his QB to win the 2008-2009 BCS National Championship.

    Some of you are complaining about the Harvin trade because it didn't happen earlier..
    HELLO?
    Did you not understand 2 points about this trade?
    1.) SEA pondered the idea for several weeks - i.e., they themselves weren't quite ready to pull the trigger and it was only after Harvin's locker room troubles kept on happening they arrived at the "sell by" expiration date and decided to move him. IT WAS NOT happening in the UFA period or Weeks 1-6 AT ALL - EVER.
    2.) It's no accident that the NJ Jets landed this deal - because Idzik WORKED IN SEA before coming to NJ.
    I'll bet you diamonds to your donut holes that it was HC Pete Carroll that called Idzik up and OFFERED him the Harvin deal - not the other way around - for 2 reasons, that a small amount of analysis would reveal;

       a.) Idzik and Carroll have a good rapport, Idzik was the likeliest candidate to deal squarely with, for Carroll
       b.) Idzik, as GM of a team with $21M in available cap room, is 1 of 20 teams that even HAVE enough cap room to afford Harvin's remaining $4.2M in 2014 salary. 5 of those teams aren't the least bit interested in Harvin because he can't "fix" their problems at the moment, 10 more are pretty much set at WR or at least content with who they already have, & 3 more are run-first based teams that aren't going to pay that kind of price for him.

    That leaves 2 teams, SEA & the Jets.
    Obviously the Sea Pigeons aren't in this game as a buyer, since they are the seller.


    The above points are really good and worth a read. This is the first HYATT post I've read in a long time, but it's really nice addition and all fair points.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by GratefulJet on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 10:57

    Lots of discussion on ESPN this morning regarding the trade. The ex-players (Key, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Tom Jackson) are pretty consistent in that they are questioning Harvin's ability/inclination to be a "team player" and Cris Carter in particular stating that Percy is at a crossroads in his career, that he faces a choice here in terms of finally figuring out how to mesh with the team concept or continue on his path and next stop is out of the league. They all acknowledge his gifts but question his commitment to applying them in a role that is less abut him and more about what's good for the team. Many references by Carter to the fact this has been an issue for Harvin going back to HS. Also, many mentions of the fact PH needs to transition away from being a gimmick WR/KR type of weapon into a true traditional WR if he wants to stay healthy and play out his contract.

    All that said, this could be a situation where the Jets and Harvin are the perfect match, in that they each find themselves at a low point, a turning point perhaps, and each in fact need the other in order to turn things around and eventually achieve redemption. That the Jets need someone with Percy's skill set is beyond question. In that regard, this is one of the all-time great fits. That alone makes this a great fit for Percy, because he can truly make a difference here that would be difficult to match elsewhere. Geno needs Percy. Decker needs Percy. MM needs Percy. And Percy needs all those guys, in order to move on from being the gadget player to the complete WR he ought to be. I love the image of PH split out in a WR stack, and then catching the bubble screen with Decker and Amaro clearing the way to spring him down the sideline. Also would like to see what he can do on a double move deep route, if Geno can actually get the ball to him.

    The limited risk nature of this trade does help it make sense. The fact it is a 6th->4th is hugely better than a 4th->2nd. I can live with PH making an impact, helping us win a few games would have otherwise lost, costing us a 2015 4th (they can have our first 2014 4th as well if they like), and a few slots in 2015 draft position. It sounds like this is also a bid by Idzik to give Geno one more weapon, and see if it helps his development. Geno played a very conservative game against the Patriots. If he continues to do that, and avoid high risk throws, Harvin could be the difference maker for a number of people's careers at this very critical stage.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 13:03

    SackExchange wrote:If anyone doubted the true prejudice that is Jets hate, this trade pretty much proves it.

    The Jets, in desperate need of a long-term solution at WR, a fast big play threat and an elite talent, trade a sixth (that could escalate to a fourth) for exactly that guy, 26 years old and with a ring.

    Immediately, stories come out about how horrible a person he is, stories that were not out there in the hours before the Jets got him. In other words, a coordinated character assassination.

    Jets make a ridiculous, huge one-sided trade, and rather than praise him, the media have to find a reason to mock them.

    It's undeniable. If any other team made this trade, the talk would be about how now they're a true contender with such an explosive player. But the circus label that has been affixed to the Jets by the media (ESPN, NYDN, ect) is what continues the mentality towards this team: Question everything they do, and assume it will all blow up in their faces. Mehta, in particular, just loves laughing at this team whenever something goes wrong. I've seen him numerous times shaking his head on camera with this whole "what a mess this team is!" attitude. He has no business covering this team. He has an "I told ya so" anti-Jets agenda, and should not be covering this team. We don't need a cheerleader beat writer, but we don't need this a-hole either.

    And take Cimini with you, Manish!
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 13:17

    GratefulJet wrote:Lots of discussion on ESPN this morning regarding the trade. The ex-players (Key, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Tom Jackson) are pretty consistent in that they are questioning Harvin's ability/inclination to be a "team player" and Cris Carter in particular stating that Percy is at a crossroads in his career, that he faces a choice here in terms of finally figuring out how to mesh with the team concept or continue on his path and next stop is out of the league. They all acknowledge his gifts but question his commitment to applying them in a role that is less abut him and more about what's good for the team. Many references by Carter to the fact this has been an issue for Harvin going back to HS. Also, many mentions of the fact PH needs to transition away from being a gimmick WR/KR type of weapon into a true traditional WR if he wants to stay healthy and play out his contract.

    All that said, this could be a situation where the Jets and Harvin are the perfect match, in that they each find themselves at a low point, a turning point perhaps, and each in fact need the other in order to turn things around and eventually achieve redemption. That the Jets need someone with Percy's skill set is beyond question. In that regard, this is one of the all-time great fits. That alone makes this a great fit for Percy, because he can truly make a difference here that would be difficult to match elsewhere. Geno needs Percy. Decker needs Percy. MM needs Percy. And Percy needs all those guys, in order to move on from being the gadget player to the complete WR he ought to be. I love the image of PH split out in a WR stack, and then catching the bubble screen with Decker and Amaro clearing the way to spring him down the sideline. Also would like to see what he can do on a double move deep route, if Geno can actually get the ball to him.

    The limited risk nature of this trade does help it make sense. The fact it is a 6th->4th is hugely better than a 4th->2nd. I can live with PH making an impact, helping us win a few games would have otherwise lost, costing us a 2015 4th (they can have our first 2014 4th as well if they like), and a few slots in 2015 draft position.  It sounds like this is also a bid by Idzik to give Geno one more weapon, and see if it helps his development. Geno played a very conservative game against the Patriots. If he continues to do that, and avoid high risk throws, Harvin could be the difference maker for a number of people's careers at this very critical stage.


    I look at this a lot like the Brandon Marshall situation. Remember he had issues in Denver and Miami before ultimately settling in with the Bears? We need to hope to have the same luck with Harvin.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by football51 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 15:19


    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 3h 3 hours ago

    Referring to the media, Favre said of Percy: “If u pick him apart -- he’s just tough. But I really liked him, as a person and a player.”







    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 3h 3 hours ago

    More Favre on Percy: "He can be a lil combative, but I say that in a good way. Percy’s all about doing what he can to help the team win."






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3h 3 hours ago

    Favre also said NY media "may try to pick him apart" Percy apart. "Hopefully they will protect him a little bit as he transitions." #percy










    Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 3h 3 hours ago

    "He's so versatile, so powerful, so fast. Just an explosive player. How do u stop this guy?" -- Brett Favre on Percy Harvin (via NFLN)






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3h 3 hours ago

    Favre on Harvin: "Percy was a good guy in the locker room ...My dealings with Percy were great."





    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3h 3 hours ago

    Brett Favre, on NFLN, said he was "shocked" by reports of Percy's issues in SEA. Said he was "surprised" #Jets trade happened.







     Kimberley A. Martin retweeted

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 6h 6 hours ago

    Percy Harvin talks to @MikeVick once a week, considers him a mentor. The hope is that the #Jets QB will ease Harvin’s transition to NY.






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 6h 6 hours ago

    Michael Robinson, who was one of the SEA players who broke up Percy/Golden fight, said Harvin is "a very private guy, a no-nonsense guy."






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 6h 6 hours ago

    Robinson on Percy: "He’s a guy u like on ur team. He doesn’t play around much. He can be difficult at times to get along with." #jets






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 6h 6 hours ago

    Robinson never had a problem w/ Percy, but said Harvin fit in "a lil bit" in SEA + realized he wasn’t going to be “the main show” on offense






    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 6h 6 hours ago

    Robinson said fights b/t teammates happen all the time. "The concerning part is, this actually got out. ...it’s disheartening," he said.






















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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by football51 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 15:24


     Kimberley A. Martin retweeted

    Chris Burke @ChrisBurke_SI · 6h 6 hours ago

    The Seahawks asked the Browns for Jordan Cameron, then settled on trading Harvin for a mid-round pick? Sounds like how I GM my fantasy team.




    · Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 5h 5 hours ago

    RT @AdamSchefter: Seattle proposed sending Harvin to DEN, sources say, in exchange for Pro Bowl TE Julius Thomas


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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by football51 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 15:29

    This is what Favre was referring to.





    · Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN · 16h 16 hours ago

    Exclusive! RT @ProFootballTalk Post-trade interview of Harvin conducted by Jets. Questions are predictably worthless http://wp.me/p14QSB-9BxW






    · Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN · 16h 16 hours ago

    Softball season apparently still going on in Florham Park. Percy Harvin will speak to actual reporters on Monday. #nyj









    Question for NY Mets fans.......... Did Bart Hubbuch get kicked off the Mets beat? If so, how?





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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 15:51

    Mehta will be sure to ask the "tough questions" that every reporter is responsible for. "Percy tell us about your fight with Golden Tate... Are you a troublemaker?...why didn't Seattle want you anymore?...Is Rex Ryan getting fired?....let's talk about your injuries...
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Sun 19 Oct 2014 - 22:25

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11258568/2014-nfl-player-rankings-offense-50-41

    Well, look at it this way, right before the season started, Percy Harvin was ranked #50 best offensive player by ESPN in the entire NFL.

    Behind Victor Cruz and our own Nick Mangold, but head of guys like Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Antonio Gates, Jordan Cameron, and TY Hitlon.

    So by ESPN standards, that's the level of talent we just added. That sounds like something the Jets need to me.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by LIJETFAN on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 8:52

    Haven't had time to post about this until today. Briefly, Harvin is an explosive player, no doubt. It was a good trade and low risk. A fair question to ask is, why weren't the Jets more proactive sooner. (By that I mean proactive in free agency not necessarily in trying to trade for Harvin, because no one would have predicted he would be out of Seattle, much less headed to the Jets). In any case, I can't comment on Harvin's track record of a problem-child. We have to presume that Idzik knows the player and understands the issues. He must believe that he will fit in. If he doesn't, the Jets can cut him at the end of the year with no cap hit, so it is very low risk deal.

    As far as Bevell is concerned, yes Hyatt I considered the implications too. I am not sold on Bevell at this point, nor am I convinced he would even come here. In fact, I am not sold on any coaching candidate at this point. It's too early. Seattle's offense, particularly last year was built and designed to play their brand of football. Run the football, mix in Wilson's running ability and his ability to extend plays to make plays in the passing game downfield. It worked to the tune of a Super Bowl. Now, with a different roster, they are struggling at times. What Bevell did well in my mind is he helped to develop Wilson into a very good player early in his career by accentuating his strengths and the strengths of their roster. I certainly wouldn't say he is Bill Walsh.

    Finally, on the media, I think the character assassination has been needlessly over the top. I think there are questions to Idzik and Rex that are fair game. But before assaulting the kid - Let's wait until he gets here and spends some time here. If he screws up, then the media gets to say, I told you so. But for now, give the kid an opportunity. In fairness, Idzik has been wrong on character before, so there is a precedent. But, Harvin could come here and become a model citizen, who knows. Someone mentioned Brandon Marshall, who has turned it around in Chicago. That could happen. So, this needs to play out a bit. He's a great talent. Let's see what happens.

    What will be most interesting to see is if Geno now develops with another receiver that can really play. I think that was part of the rationale for this trade - Find out if Geno Smith can play in the NFL with a pair of good NFL receivers to work with over the next nine games. It helps end the debate of is it Geno or is it the fact that his receiving corps has been below average his first two seasons. Time will tell. Then we will know where the team is headed. Full rebuild or not...

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 10:56

    Jets announce Percy Harvin's jersey number after trade from Seahawks

    It will be No. 16. Keep in mind: Percy Harvin is due to make $10 million next season with nothing guaranteed, and if the wideout acquired Friday's trade with the Seahawks still on the roster in 2015, the Jets would have to send Seattle a fourth-round pick instead of a sixth-rounder in next year's draft. Circumstances can always change, but if buying jerseys is your thing, you might want to get your Percy Harvin No. 16 Jets edition while you can.

    http://jets.forumotion.com/t101p100-jets-trade-for-percy-harvin

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by cysporsche on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 11:37

    Superman55 wrote:
    GratefulJet wrote:Lots of discussion on ESPN this morning regarding the trade. The ex-players (Key, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Tom Jackson) are pretty consistent in that they are questioning Harvin's ability/inclination to be a "team player" and Cris Carter in particular stating that Percy is at a crossroads in his career, that he faces a choice here in terms of finally figuring out how to mesh with the team concept or continue on his path and next stop is out of the league. They all acknowledge his gifts but question his commitment to applying them in a role that is less abut him and more about what's good for the team. Many references by Carter to the fact this has been an issue for Harvin going back to HS. Also, many mentions of the fact PH needs to transition away from being a gimmick WR/KR type of weapon into a true traditional WR if he wants to stay healthy and play out his contract.

    All that said, this could be a situation where the Jets and Harvin are the perfect match, in that they each find themselves at a low point, a turning point perhaps, and each in fact need the other in order to turn things around and eventually achieve redemption. That the Jets need someone with Percy's skill set is beyond question. In that regard, this is one of the all-time great fits. That alone makes this a great fit for Percy, because he can truly make a difference here that would be difficult to match elsewhere. Geno needs Percy. Decker needs Percy. MM needs Percy. And Percy needs all those guys, in order to move on from being the gadget player to the complete WR he ought to be. I love the image of PH split out in a WR stack, and then catching the bubble screen with Decker and Amaro clearing the way to spring him down the sideline. Also would like to see what he can do on a double move deep route, if Geno can actually get the ball to him.

    The limited risk nature of this trade does help it make sense. The fact it is a 6th->4th is hugely better than a 4th->2nd. I can live with PH making an impact, helping us win a few games would have otherwise lost, costing us a 2015 4th (they can have our first 2014 4th as well if they like), and a few slots in 2015 draft position.  It sounds like this is also a bid by Idzik to give Geno one more weapon, and see if it helps his development. Geno played a very conservative game against the Patriots. If he continues to do that, and avoid high risk throws, Harvin could be the difference maker for a number of people's careers at this very critical stage.


    I look at this a lot like the Brandon Marshall situation.  Remember he had issues in Denver and Miami before ultimately settling in with the Bears?  We need to hope to have the same luck with Harvin.


    Not sure if Brandon Marshall is a good comparison after he & Jay Cutler QB had to be separated in the locker room after the Bears loss yesterday !

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 12:07

    cysporsche wrote:
    Superman55 wrote:
    GratefulJet wrote:Lots of discussion on ESPN this morning regarding the trade. The ex-players (Key, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Tom Jackson) are pretty consistent in that they are questioning Harvin's ability/inclination to be a "team player" and Cris Carter in particular stating that Percy is at a crossroads in his career, that he faces a choice here in terms of finally figuring out how to mesh with the team concept or continue on his path and next stop is out of the league. They all acknowledge his gifts but question his commitment to applying them in a role that is less abut him and more about what's good for the team. Many references by Carter to the fact this has been an issue for Harvin going back to HS. Also, many mentions of the fact PH needs to transition away from being a gimmick WR/KR type of weapon into a true traditional WR if he wants to stay healthy and play out his contract.

    All that said, this could be a situation where the Jets and Harvin are the perfect match, in that they each find themselves at a low point, a turning point perhaps, and each in fact need the other in order to turn things around and eventually achieve redemption. That the Jets need someone with Percy's skill set is beyond question. In that regard, this is one of the all-time great fits. That alone makes this a great fit for Percy, because he can truly make a difference here that would be difficult to match elsewhere. Geno needs Percy. Decker needs Percy. MM needs Percy. And Percy needs all those guys, in order to move on from being the gadget player to the complete WR he ought to be. I love the image of PH split out in a WR stack, and then catching the bubble screen with Decker and Amaro clearing the way to spring him down the sideline. Also would like to see what he can do on a double move deep route, if Geno can actually get the ball to him.

    The limited risk nature of this trade does help it make sense. The fact it is a 6th->4th is hugely better than a 4th->2nd. I can live with PH making an impact, helping us win a few games would have otherwise lost, costing us a 2015 4th (they can have our first 2014 4th as well if they like), and a few slots in 2015 draft position.  It sounds like this is also a bid by Idzik to give Geno one more weapon, and see if it helps his development. Geno played a very conservative game against the Patriots. If he continues to do that, and avoid high risk throws, Harvin could be the difference maker for a number of people's careers at this very critical stage.


    I look at this a lot like the Brandon Marshall situation.  Remember he had issues in Denver and Miami before ultimately settling in with the Bears?  We need to hope to have the same luck with Harvin.


    Not sure if Brandon Marshall is a good comparison after he & Jay Cutler QB had to be separated in the locker room after the Bears loss yesterday !


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    My understanding is that Marshall and Cutler are good friends. Marshall sounded off on the entire offense, but did focus on Cutler. It's very simple with the Bears: when Cutler turns it over, they lose. When he doesn't turn it over, they win. The stats back that up this season.

    I have no problem with a WR (even the divas) voicing frustration with losing, and even calling out people in the process. Sometimes it's what a team needs to refocus. Owning it and playing better is the intended result. Marshall has got to know that Cutler will own it, as Jay pretty much admitted he stunk in that game.

    What really bothers me is players who don't care about the losing anymore, and are afraid to speak up. Leaders need to speak up sometimes,IMO.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by SackExchange on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 12:22

    I was thinking the same thing, cy.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by jamesfyo123 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 12:44

    Blindsidebrick wrote:My understanding is that Marshall and Cutler are good friends. Marshall sounded off on the entire offense, but did focus on Cutler. It's very simple with the Bears: when Cutler turns it over, they lose. When he doesn't turn it over, they win. The stats back that up this season.

    I have no problem with a WR (even the divas) voicing frustration with losing, and even calling out people in the process. Sometimes it's what a team needs to refocus. Owning it and playing better is the intended result. Marshall has got to know that Cutler will own it, as Jay pretty much admitted he stunk in that game.

    What really bothers me is players who don't care about the losing anymore, and are afraid to speak up. Leaders need to speak up sometimes,IMO.

    I totally agree. I mean, it's to be expected of much NFL media, but it's unbelievable to me that people are framing this as if Marshall blew up at Jay on the sideline or something. If there WASN'T someone privately calling out his teammates on the Bears yesterday then I'd be worried for them.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Old#15 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 14:21

    It really ticks me off how hypocritical people are when discussing the Jets. They go on and on about how there are no playmakers on the roster, how Idzik is unwilling to spend money on FA, etc. So JI goes out and gets arguably one of the more dynamic playmakers in the game for peanuts and all we hear is it's too late, Harvin is a cancer, and JI only made the deal because he needed to save face. I'm sorry folks and members of the media, you can't have it both ways. This is a deal that you make every time. Anyone other than the Jets make this deal, its' a no-brainer/homerun take it to the bank. We make it and the choruses of boos is deafening. I want this kid to be a big time explosive element in the Jets offense the rest of the year. I hope Geno develops nicely with a better compliment of weapons. AND I hope we run the F $%#@&g table just to shut everyone up. I don't care if its too late for this year, this was/is the right move by Idzik.
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by The Wicker Man on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 14:24

    I was away in DC all weekend so I haven't chimed in. Since everything has been pretty much covered, in a nutshell, I'm very happy with the
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    Nice post, HYATT™
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    Post by Superman55 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 14:35

    Old#15 wrote:It really ticks me off how hypocritical people are when discussing the Jets.  They go on and on about how there are no playmakers on the roster, how Idzik is unwilling to spend money on FA, etc. So JI goes out and gets arguably one of the more dynamic playmakers in the game for peanuts and all we hear is it's too late, Harvin is a cancer, and JI only made the deal because he needed to save face.  I'm sorry folks and members of the media, you can't have it both ways.  This is a deal that you make every time.  Anyone other than the Jets make this deal, its' a no-brainer/homerun take it to the bank.  We make it and the choruses of boos is deafening.  I want this kid to be a big time explosive element in the Jets offense the rest of the year.  I hope Geno develops nicely with a better compliment of weapons.  AND I hope we run the F $%#@&g table just to shut everyone up.  I don't care if its too late for this year, this was/is the right move by Idzik.  

    Well, a lot of that is writing to receive a reaction.  No one knows if/when this trade became a possibility.

    No one has bashed Idzik around here more than me, but in this example, Idzik's patience completely paid off.

    Last week, reportedly, Seattle tried to trade Harvin for Julius Thomas (All Pro TE) and Cameron Jordan (Pro Bowl TE) and had no luck.

    That would be like Seattle coming to John and saying, "What about Sheldon Richardson for Harvin?"  John says, "No," and Seattle responds, "Okay, we'll take a 6th rounder instead of Sheldon."

    Point is, I have bashed Idzik for going cheap on CB last fall, and it burned us.  He went cheap here and landed our #2/#1 WR that compliments Decker well.

    I took this move as John executing the way John does, sometime it will work and sometimes it won't, but his patience here got us a steal as a perfect price for the organization.  The timing of the deal corresponded with teh price we paid, so who can really look back and say, "he should have made this move earlier," if the move earlier would have cost a 1st or 2nd rd pick?

    John waited and paid the price he wanted to pay.  Whether the trade works or not, he deserves credit for doing it his way and it paying off this time, just like he deserves bashing when it doesn't work out.  He deserves a lot of credit for this move either way, IMO, because even if it doesnt work out, it doesnt hurt the team.  You have to give him credit for that, as executing earlier would have cost the team high compensation $$$ wise and pick wise.

    I really like this trade, no doubt about it.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 14:43

    Good article with no spinning either way (towards or away from the jets - just the facts and quotes for your own opinion to be formed):

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/10/20/idzik-says-harvin-trade-could-be-coup-for-jets/17615401/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomnfl-topstories

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    FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP) — The potential payoff in acquiring Percy Harvin outweighed the risks involved for New York Jets general manager John Idzik.

    The Jets and Seattle Seahawks agreed to the deal on Friday and completed it the next day, with New York sending a conditional draft pick to Seattle. Harvin, practicing with the Jets for the first time Monday, gives New York versatility and game-breaking skills.

    "I think he's a pretty explosive talent," Idzik raved during practice. "I think he's proven in this league that he could be a very explosive and dynamic offensive weapon."

    But Harvin is also a player who is injury prone and has had some questions about his character and interactions.

    "I look at it the other way," Idzik said. "I look at it as this could be a potential coup for the New York Jets, acquiring a player of Percy's talent and his caliber."

    Idzik said he had thorough discussions with Seahawks general manager John Schneider about the receiver. Idzik and Schneider are close friends who also worked together in Seattle.

    "We did a ton of background," Idzik said. "As always, we do our due diligence with a player acquisition, and it was no different in this case. I just so happen to know a lot of people in Seattle very closely, so I guess I had that advantage, too.

    "We had very forthright conversations about Percy and what happened there and I decided it was prudent to move forward," he said.

    The 26-year-old Harvin has played in 60 games with only 47 career starts since being a first-round pick by Minnesota in 2009. He was traded to the Seahawks in 2013 for a 2013 first-round and seventh-round draft choice and a 2014 third-rounder.

    He appeared in just one regular-season game in 2013 because of hip surgery. But Harvin ran back a second-half kickoff 87 yards for a touchdown in Seattle's 43-8 rout of Denver in the Super Bowl.

    "Pure and simple, bringing in a player like Percy is to help our offense," Idzik said. "You've seen our offense has had its moments where we can move the ball, where we can sustain drives. I think you bring in a player like Percy, he can help everybody that way."

    Idzik says the move was to help the 1-6 Jets improve — not a result of public pressure or criticism. The GM has been highly criticized for not providing second-year quarterback Geno Smith and the rest of the offense enough playmakers in the offseason.

    "Our premise will always be if there's a chance for us to improve our team, no matter what time of year it is, be it early- to mid-October or early- to mid-April, we're going to do it," Idzik said. "This chance presented itself and we felt like we wanted to take advantage of it."

    Idzik said he had "substantive talks" with Seattle last week before the Jets' game at New England last Thursday night, but the discussions "crystallized" after the team's 27-25 loss — its sixth straight.

    "It became evident that this was a real possibility," Idzik said, "and eventually we pulled the trigger."

    Idzik has no concerns "right now" that Harvin could be a potential disruptive force in the locker room.

    "My introduction to Percy was very positive," Idzik said. "He was very excited to be here. And, really, it's about looking forward. Understanding what may have happened in the past — I wasn't there, he was — but really that's in the rearview mirror. Learn from your experiences like anybody else, and we're looking forward. He's looking forward. He's excited to be here and we're excited to have him."
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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Superman55 on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 14:45



    Harvin says Jets have told him to be himself

    Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2014, 2:22 PM EDT
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    Jets receiver Percy Harvin met the New York media for the first time on Monday. And while he wasn’t pressed as aggressively as the New York media’s reputation would suggest, Harvin elaborated much more on his circumstances than when he faced a strong of slo-pitch softballs from the media operation owned by the Jets.

    Harvin opted not to delve into the events that resulted in the stunning trade that sent him from Seattle to New York. “All I am is I’m moving forward,” Harvin said. “I’m leaving what’s in the past in the past.”

    On whether he’s a good teammate, Harvin said, “All I can say is judge me off of what you see.”

    So what will we see? Harvin said that management “told me to just come here and be myself.” (Which reminds me of Bill Cosby’s take on cocaine.)

    “I’m definitely not a perfect person,” Harvin said. “I have a lot of things I wish I would have done a little differently. I’m moving forward. I’m learning from those lessons.”

    He hopes to put the lessons to use for more than the next nine games. “It’s definitely a place I want to be for a long time,” Harvin said.

    “I just feel good here. I feel welcome. I’m ready to go.”

    He’s ready to play for coach Rex Ryan. “I love him,” Harvin said. “Love him, love him.”

    That’s good news for Rex. Because Harvin reportedly has had multiple confrontations with coaches he didn’t love, love.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by Blindsidebrick on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 15:11

    The bottom line for me with this trade is this: the Jets are 1-6 and not doing enough offensively in the red zone to win games. Too many FG's. They lack a big play receiver. Decker and Amaro are more intermediate players. 10-15 yard receptions. Ivory is running the ball hard. They need a home run hitter, and Harvin has that ability. Is he a diva? A self centered guy? He might be. But this type of opportunity was too big to pass up. Idzik needed to do something.

    And the best part is, if he fails, he was a one year deal. No obligation after that. No brainer.

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    Re: Jets trade for Percy Harvin

    Post by soj on Mon 20 Oct 2014 - 16:51

    Superman55 wrote:
    Old#15 wrote:It really ticks me off how hypocritical people are when discussing the Jets.  They go on and on about how there are no playmakers on the roster, how Idzik is unwilling to spend money on FA, etc. So JI goes out and gets arguably one of the more dynamic playmakers in the game for peanuts and all we hear is it's too late, Harvin is a cancer, and JI only made the deal because he needed to save face.  I'm sorry folks and members of the media, you can't have it both ways.  This is a deal that you make every time.  Anyone other than the Jets make this deal, its' a no-brainer/homerun take it to the bank.  We make it and the choruses of boos is deafening.  I want this kid to be a big time explosive element in the Jets offense the rest of the year.  I hope Geno develops nicely with a better compliment of weapons.  AND I hope we run the F $%#@&g table just to shut everyone up.  I don't care if its too late for this year, this was/is the right move by Idzik.  

    Well, a lot of that is writing to receive a reaction.  No one knows if/when this trade became a possibility.

    No one has bashed Idzik around here more than me, but in this example, Idzik's patience completely paid off.

    Last week, reportedly, Seattle tried to trade Harvin for Julius Thomas (All Pro TE) and Cameron Jordan (Pro Bowl TE) and had no luck.

    That would be like Seattle coming to John and saying, "What about Sheldon Richardson for Harvin?"  John says, "No," and Seattle responds, "Okay, we'll take a 6th rounder instead of Sheldon."

    Point is, I have bashed Idzik for going cheap on CB last fall, and it burned us.  He went cheap here and landed our #2/#1 WR that compliments Decker well.

    I took this move as John executing the way John does, sometime it will work and sometimes it won't, but his patience here got us a steal as a perfect price for the organization.  The timing of the deal corresponded with teh price we paid, so who can really look back and say, "he should have made this move earlier," if the move earlier would have cost a 1st or 2nd rd pick?

    John waited and paid the price he wanted to pay.  Whether the trade works or not, he deserves credit for doing it his way and it paying off this time, just like he deserves bashing when it doesn't work out.  He deserves a lot of credit for this move either way, IMO, because even if it doesnt work out, it doesnt hurt the team.  You have to give him credit for that, as executing earlier would have cost the team high compensation $$$ wise and pick wise.

    I really like this trade, no doubt about it.


    very good post 55... he does deserve praise because this IMHO is a steal esp. if harvin acts like he said - learning from his mistakes. Lets hope it works out for the team and for the kid....

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